DC generator: Induced EMF of a single coil armature

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the induced electromotive force (emf) in a single coil armature of a DC generator, focusing on the equations governing the relationship between magnetic field, coil dimensions, and rotational speed. Participants explore the derivation of these equations and identify potential contradictions in their application.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the induced emf equation as emf = B*l*W*omega and attempts to relate it to another form involving rotation per second, leading to a perceived contradiction.
  • Another participant suggests that there is a "hidden factor of 2" in the equations, prompting further consideration of the relationships between variables.
  • A later reply indicates a potential reinterpretation of diameter (D) as radius (r), which could clarify the confusion regarding the equations presented.
  • One participant notes that the first equation represents the emf induced in one loop of the coil, while questioning what the second equation represents.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the equivalence of the two emf equations and the implications of the dimensions used. There is no consensus on the resolution of the contradictions or the correct interpretation of the variables involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential issues with definitions of diameter and radius, as well as the implications of rotational speed on the equations. The discussion remains open to interpretation and lacks definitive conclusions.

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Individuals interested in the principles of electromagnetism, electrical engineering, or those studying the operation of DC generators may find this discussion relevant.

kidsasd987
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Hi.

I am reading a textbook about simple DC generator. The situation is if we are rotating a single armature coil within a constant field B,
the induced emf will be (if we are to only think about the magnitude), emf= B*l*W*omegaB = magnetic field
l = length of the coil
W = width of the coil
omega = angular velocity of the coil
However, if we are re-writing that equation in terms of RPS (Rotation per second)
we get


emf = B*I*v v = pi*D*n
D = Diameter which is equal to W.
n = Rotation per second


However, these two equations are not the same because


B*l*W*omega = B*I*v

-> W*omega = v
-> W*omega = pi*D*n


using n = omega / 2pi

-> W*omega = W/2 * omega
-> W = W/2
This is a contradiction so I am not sure at what point I got these equations wrong.
 
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kidsasd987 said:
emf = B*I*v
Think carefully about this equation and seek the hidden factor of 2 😉.
 
cnh1995 said:
Think carefully about this equation and seek the hidden factor of 2 😉.

Thanks. I was thinking that D is actually r. then it makes sense but since I was given with the equation

pi*D*n
D = 2r = W

I am confused.
 
kidsasd987 said:
emf= B*l*W*omega
This is the emf induced in one "loop".
kidsasd987 said:
emf = B*I*v
This is the emf induced in ...?
 

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