AS-level SUVAT / Newtonian physics-based question

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The problem involves a diver entering the water at a specific velocity and coming to rest at a certain depth. The context is rooted in Newtonian physics and involves concepts of forces, energy, and buoyancy.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the average total upward force acting on the diver and questions the source of an additional force needed to bring the diver to rest.
  • Some participants explore the relationship between kinetic energy and work done by the water, while others consider the implications of buoyancy and gravitational forces.

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Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, with some suggesting that understanding buoyancy is essential for a complete analysis. There is no explicit consensus, but various insights are being shared regarding the forces involved.

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The problem may involve assumptions about buoyancy that are not explicitly stated in the question, leading to differing interpretations of the forces acting on the diver.

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Homework Statement


Diver enters the water at 7.92 [ms][/-1] and comes to rest 1.6m below the surface.

Calculate the average total upward force acting on the diver which brings his vertical velocity to zero.

From an earlier part of the questions the divers mass is 72kg.

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Thus far I have solved this by equating the vertical kinetic engery of the diver on entering the water with the work done by the water in decelerating him to a stop.

The answer I get is [average decelerating force]\approx[/1411N]

The model answer however states that the total average upward force is 1411 + 706 = 2117N.

My question is therefore from where do they / should I get the other 706N from?


The Attempt at a Solution


\Delta[/\frac{1}{2}m[v][/2]] = decelerating force x 1.6m<br /> <br /> Decelerating force = 0.5 x 72 x [7.92][/2] / 1.6 = 1411N
 
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DJsTeLF said:
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From an earlier part of the questions the divers mass is 72kg.
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My question is therefore from where do they / should I get the other 706N from?

It's weighty problem.
 
gneill said:
It's weighty problem.

Is this meant to be a joke or a hint at the solution?

It did make me consider whether they expect the student to realize that to come to rest the diver would have to be neutrally buoyant in order to properly come to rest under water.

Downward force due to gravity = mass x gravity = 72 x 9.8 = 705.6N

Therefore equivalent upward force would be necessary for diver to come to a stop.

It appears I've found a route to the answer but this seems like a hell-of-an insight for a 16yr old student to have without any 'nudges' towards considering neutral bouyancy in the question??

Comments welcome
 
You don't need the details about buoyancy to solve the problem. All you need to know is that the work done to bring him to a halt has to take into account the change in potential energy due to gravity as well as the kinetic energy he needs to lose. Hence the hint about gravity (okay, it was a joke, too). The result is that there's an extra force acting upward (you don't care about the source) to counteract the downward force due to his weight.
 

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