Forces, action and reaction pairs

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The problem involves a high diver of mass 83.0 kg who jumps from a height of 10.0 m and experiences an upward force from the water after entering it. The discussion centers around calculating the average upward force exerted by the water based on the diver's motion and the time taken to stop after entering the water.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore various methods to calculate the average upward force, including using gravitational force and kinematic equations. Some suggest equating potential energy with work done, while others focus on calculating velocity upon impact and subsequent deceleration.

Discussion Status

There is active engagement with different approaches being discussed. Some participants have provided calculations and suggested alternative formulas that could simplify the process. However, there is no explicit consensus on the best method to use, and participants are still exploring the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note constraints such as the requirement to use specific methods or formulas that have been taught, and the importance of significant figures in reporting the final answer.

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Homework Statement


A high diver of mass 83.0 kg jumps off a board 10.0 m above the water. If his downward motion is stopped 1.90 s after he enters the water, what average upward force did the water exert on him?


Homework Equations


[tex]\sum[/tex]Forces = ma
X=X[tex]_{0}[/tex]+V[tex]_{i}[/tex]+1/2at



The Attempt at a Solution


the total force exerted by the diver on the water is:
[tex]\sum[/tex]Forces = 83kg*9.8 (gravitational acceleration) = 813.4N
then with the given time.. i don't know how to solve for the upward force
 
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Would be easier to equate Potential Energy (P.E. = mgh, turned into Kinetic Energy) with work done (W = F x d).
 
catkin said:
Would be easier to equate Potential Energy (P.E. = mgh, turned into Kinetic Energy) with work done (W = F x d).

sorry, but I haven't learned that, and I'm not suppose to know how to do it that way
 
OK. How about working out velocity when diver hits water and average deceleration after that?
 
well, first I used: Xf = X0 + Vit + 1/2at
let Xf = 0, X0 = 10m , Vi=0 , a= 9.8m/s^2

therefore 0 = 10 + 1/2(-9.8)t solve for t = 2.04

if Vf = Vi + at, since Vi=0, Vf = the velocity when it hits the water = (9.8)(2.04) = 19.992 m/s
------- for the second part (when the person enters water) ----
Vi=19.992m/s, Vf = 0, t=1.90

therefore, using the equation : Vf = Vi + at
0 = 19.992 + a(1.90)
therefore a = -10.552 m/s^2

finally, force = mass * acelleration ==> force = 10.552*83kg = 875.816N

Since I am suppose to convert the force into kN, do I do the following operation?
875.816N * (1kN/1000N) = 0.875816kN
 
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Hi,

Your method, including the kN portion, looks correct (Assuming you didn't make any computation errors). However, you may want to use another formula (also derived from these two) which would allow you to skip a step.

(Vf)^2 = (Vi)^2 + 2aX

This would save you having to compute time.
 
Your answer should be no more precise than the data given. The question includes 83.0, 10.0 and 1.90. The first two indicate 3 significant figures; the last may indicate 2 or 3 so it's reasonable to take it as 3 for consistency.

So, assuming your answer is numerically correct, it should be given as 0.876 kN.

Regards the distance-velocities-acceleration-time equations, it is helpful to know 5 forms, one omitting each variable. Using your variable symbols:

No [itex]x[/itex]: [itex]v_{f} = v_{i} + at[/itex]
No [itex]v_{i}[/itex]: [itex]x = v_{f}t - ½at^{\:2}[/itex]
No [itex]v_{f}[/itex]: [itex]x = v_{i}t + ½at^{\:2}[/itex]
No [itex]a[/itex]: [itex]x = ½(v_{i} + v_{f})t[/itex]
No [itex]t[/itex]: [itex]v_{f}^{\:2} = v_{i}^{\:2} + 2ax[/itex]

Usually you will know 3 of the five variables and be required to find one of the others; the easiest equation to use is the one that omits the 5th.

For example, in this problem, when you want to find the divers' velocity on hitting the water water you know [itex]x[/itex], [itex]v_{i}[/itex], [itex]a[/itex] and [itex]x[/itex]. You want to find [itex]v_{f}[/itex]. So the easiest equation to use is the one that omits [itex]t[/itex]: [itex]v_{f}^{\:2} = v_{i}^{\:2} + 2ax[/itex]
 

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