Aspiring to be a life long postdoc. Is that realistic?

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The discussion centers on the viability of a lifelong career as a postdoctoral researcher, particularly in non-tenure track positions. Participants highlight that while some countries limit postdoctoral roles to five years post-PhD, alternatives such as research assistant, research associate, and research scientist positions exist. The conversation reveals that non-tenure track faculty roles can offer stability and benefits, allowing for the development of independent research projects and grant writing. However, the challenge of achieving high-quality publications and securing significant grants remains a barrier to transitioning to tenure track positions.

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  • Understanding of postdoctoral roles and their limitations in various countries
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  • Explore methods for improving publication quality and increasing h-index
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Early-career researchers, non-tenure track faculty, and anyone considering a long-term academic career outside of the tenure track system.

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I like academic work, and I am fairly good at it, but not good enough to get on the tenure track. Postdoctoral salary for me is sufficient to comfortably support a family of four, and we don't mind moving from time to time, since my wife is not working. Is expecting to work as a postdoc for the entire life unrealistic? I know that some countries/universities only offer postdoctoral positions for up to 5 years after a PhD, but I have also heard that there are several other kinds of positions (i.e. research assistant, research associate, research scientist) that can be similar to a postdoc in everything but name. What is your opinion?
 
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There are non-tenure track faculty positions available. In these positions you are usually expected to write grant proposals and develop your own research projects.
 
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leright said:
There are non-tenure track faculty positions available. In these positions you are usually expected to write grant proposals and develop your own research projects.
Thanks. I am currently employed as a non-tenure track faculty member (equivalent to postdoc, but with no strictly-defined end-date and with proper benefits). So far (1.5 years after a PhD) in addition to working on my supervisors' projects I have been successful in securing small-to-mid scale funding/co-funding (10k to 100k) and leading a couple of mid-level research projects (the last author). The problem is that I don't have a solid understanding on how to get top-quality publications, and I probably won't be very successful in securing big grants (so likely no tenure track for me).

I know a few people who have been in more-or-less the same boat for 5-15 years (sometimes being successful in securing grants, sometimes moving to other groups and working on somebody else's grants, some of them have an h-index above 30, some of them much smaller). However I know very few people like this, and none who could maintain such career for over 15 years.

What are the realistic options after being a postdoc-like researcher for over 15 years? Do you know any non-tenure track faculty members who could maintain their academic careers for the entire life? Is it possible to get on a tenure track 15 years after a PhD?
 
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