Astrophysics: Calculating the circumference of an ellipse

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The discussion revolves around calculating the circumference of an ellipse, specifically in the context of Earth's orbit around the sun. Participants are examining the parameters involved in the formula and the correct definitions of the semi-major and semi-minor axes.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to substitute values for the semi-major and semi-minor axes but questions the accuracy of their calculations. Other participants raise concerns about the formula used and the definitions of the axes, suggesting that the semi-minor axis cannot be derived from the distances provided.

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Participants are actively engaging in clarifying the definitions and calculations related to the ellipse's parameters. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct interpretation of the semi-major and semi-minor axes, as well as the importance of eccentricity in the context of the circumference equation.

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There is mention of the difficulty in determining the semi-minor axis based on the provided distances, and the original poster acknowledges challenges in typing formulas correctly. The discussion reflects a learning environment where assumptions and definitions are being critically examined.

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I'm new to this website. Could someone explain how to solve this equation, its the formula for an ellipse circumference :
Relevant Equations
P = 2a(pi){1-(1/2)^2[(sqrta^2b^2)/a]^2- [(1*3)/(2*4)]^2{[(sqrta^2b^2)/a]/3}^4.....}
Substituting :
a = (9.15x10^7 mi)+(9.45x10^7mi) = 1.86x10^8 mi
b = ( a/2 ) = 9.3x10^7 mi

For this, I used six terms and got :

1.075x10^9 miles

Is my math wrong?;
 
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There seem to be a few mistakes in your formula. If I've got it right, "sqrta^2b^2" should be sqrt(a^2 - b^2). (Maybe just a typo on your part.)
{[(sqrta^2b^2)/a]/3}^4 should be {[(sqrt(a^2-b^2))/a]^4}/3
And I don't know where you're getting your a and b from. In this formula, a is the semi-major axis and b the semi-minor axis. Not (as you are using?) the sum and average of these. That's why you're getting an answer about a factor of 2 high.
 
Thanks for the feedback. Yes, I'm still learning how to type formulas, but what you wrote is what I meant. I was using the formula to find the length of Earth's orbit around the sun w/out using Google. My apologies on the a and b numbers. I've found it extremely difficult to find the semi-minor axis of the orbit, given that the farthest and closest distances make a 180-degree angle.
 
That's because the sun is at a focus of the ellipse, not the centre. In this case, the semi-major axis is the average of the closest and farthest distances. You can't get the semi-minor axis from these (it is independently variable), but you should be able to find it easily, or the value of the eccentricity, from which you can work it out, on the internet. (Actually the eccentricity is all you need for the circumference equation, if you have the semi-major axis.)
 

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