Asymmetry parameter while relating proper time with distance

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the introduction of an asymmetry parameter \(\alpha\) in the context of relating proper time and proper distance within Causal Dynamical Triangulations (CDT) and its implications for quantum gravity. Participants explore the necessity of \(\alpha\), its common value of 1 in research, and the potential preference for time-reversal symmetry in CDT.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that in special relativity, the relationship \((\text{proper time})^{2} = - (\text{proper distance})^{2}\) holds under specific conditions, particularly for inertial observers.
  • One participant questions the necessity of introducing the asymmetry parameter \(\alpha\) in CDT and seeks resources for understanding its role in quantum gravity.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the relationship between proper time and proper distance is valid along any time-like curve, not just for inertial observers.
  • There is a query regarding the common choice of \(\alpha = 1\) in CDT research, asking for concrete reasons behind this preference.
  • Participants discuss whether CDT prefers time-reversal symmetry, although this point remains less explored.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the relationship between proper time and proper distance, particularly in relation to inertial versus non-inertial observers. The necessity and implications of the asymmetry parameter \(\alpha\) remain unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on specific definitions of proper time and proper distance, and the discussion does not resolve the mathematical implications of the asymmetry parameter or its derivation.

Damodar Rajbhandari
In special relativity, we know, (proper time)^{2} = - (proper distance)^{2}. But, in Causal Dynamical Triangulations (CDT), they introduce an asymmetry parameter \alpha as, (proper time)^{2} = - \alpha (proper distance)^{2}

[Q. 1] Can you please explain me about, why we need to introduce \alpha ? And, Is there is any useful resources to learn more about the role of \alpha in Quantum Gravity? Or, Any derivation relating to asymmetry parameter with proper time and proper distance?

[Q. 2] In most of the research in CDT, why they prefer to choose \alpha to be 1? Concrete reason needed!

[Q. 3] Does CDT prefer Time-reversal symmetry?

With thanks,
Damodar

P.S: This question was primarily asked in https://www.researchgate.net/post/Question_relating_to_Quantum_asymmetry_between_proper_distance_and_proper_time.
 
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Damodar Rajbhandari said:
In special relativity, we know, (proper time)^{2} = - (proper distance)^{2}.
I hope I'm not disappointing you, but if you mean by "proper distance" the spacetime interval, then this is not true in general. It is only true if the proper time is that of an inertial observer. The Euclidean analog is that the length of a path between two points equals the distance if the path is straight.
 
haushofer said:
I hope I'm not disappointing you, but if you mean by "proper distance" the spacetime interval, then this is not true in general. It is only true if the proper time is that of an inertial observer. The Euclidean analog is that the length of a path between two points equals the distance if the path is straight.
I hope I'm not disappointing you, but proper time is equal to (minus) proper distance along any time-like curve ##C##, i.e.
$$\int_C d\tau =-\int_C ds $$
not only along trajectory of an inertial observer. Indeed, many people tried to explain that to you in another thread, but you still seem not to get it.

Anyway, it doesn't help to answer the OP's question.
 
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Yes, I wrote that post right before I started my topic on grav.time dilation. Infinitesimally, as you write it down, you're right of course.
 
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