Asymptotic form of Fourier type integral

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on finding an asymptotic form of the Fourier type integral F(λ) = ∫ e^(iλx) f(x) dx for small values of the parameter λ, where f(x) is a specific integrable function. Participants explore various methods for approximating the integral, including variable changes and series expansions, while addressing the challenges posed by the properties of f(x).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests changing variables to y = λx, leading to a new form of the integral that may allow for asymptotic expansion of f(y/λ), but notes potential issues with the contribution at y = 0.
  • Another participant proposes expanding F(λ) around λ = 0 using Taylor series, but expresses concern about the integrability of the resulting terms.
  • A participant highlights that f(x) only admits a Taylor expansion for large arguments, complicating the use of the first suggestion.
  • Concerns are raised about the integrability of x f(x) and the behavior of the integrand near the origin, questioning the validity of the proposed expansions.
  • Some participants mention the possibility of using stationary phase or steepest descent methods, depending on the derivatives of f(x) with respect to λ.
  • Another participant suggests that for certain rational values of b, complex contour integration might yield closed form solutions, while expressing skepticism about the case for irrational b.
  • One participant recommends using a Taylor series for the exponential function while keeping f(x) intact, suggesting that this might lead to closed form integrals.
  • However, it is reiterated that expanding the exponential in a Taylor series may not be effective due to the nature of f(x).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the applicability of various methods for approximating the integral, with no consensus reached on a definitive approach. Concerns about the integrability of certain terms and the behavior of f(x) lead to ongoing debate.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations regarding the assumptions necessary for the proposed methods, particularly the conditions under which f(x) can be expanded and the integrability of resulting expressions.

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I have an integral like

F(\lambda)=\int_{-\infty}^\infty e^{i\lambda x} f(x) dx,
where \lambda is a real parameter and f(x) is an integrable function of x. I am looking for a method to calculate an approximate form of F(\lambda) for very small |\lambda|. Methods like stationary phases or steepest descent can sometimes be used to calculate similar asymptotic expressions for large values of the parameter, but I am not sure how to proceed in case \lambda is small.

Thanks.
 
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A couple of ideas:

You could try changing variables. For example, letting y = \lambda x gives

F(\lambda) = \frac{1}{\lambda}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} dy e^{iy} f\left(\frac{y}{\lambda}\right).

If you know the large argument asymptotics of f(x), you could then expand f(y/lambda) in an asymptotic series and hopefully the resulting integrals for that are simpler. There is an issue with the y = 0 contribution to the integral - however, since it's just a point I don't think it contributes.

The other option is to expand

F(\lambda) \approx F(0) + F'(0)\lambda

where

F(0) = \int_{-\infty}^\infty dx~f(x)
F'(0) = i\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} dx~x f(x)

This assumes of course that you can do these integrals and that they exist.
 
Thanks, but the problem with the first suggestion is that f(x) only admits a Taylor expansion for large values of its argument, so the expansion of f(y/\lambda) is not integrable from -\infty to +\infty. To give its exact form, f(x) is given by

f(x)=\frac{(a^2+x^2)^{-b}}{x+ic},
where a,b,c>0 and b<<1.

Unfortunately the second suggestion doesn't work either, since x f(x) is not integrable.
 
bruno67 said:
Thanks, but the problem with the first suggestion is that f(x) only admits a Taylor expansion for large values of its argument, so the expansion of f(y/\lambda) is not integrable from -\infty to +\infty. To give its exact form, f(x) is given by

f(x)=\frac{(a^2+x^2)^{-b}}{x+ic},
where a,b,c>0 and b<<1.

The expansion you would need to do is a large-argument expansion, because y/lambda would be large. It looks like the leading contribution from a large y/lambda expansion would be (\lambda/y)^{1-2b}, although wolframalpha claims the Fourier transform of that is zero for 0 < Re(b) < 1/2. Hopefully the leading correction to the asymptotic series for f(y/\lambda) is non-zero and integrable.

Unfortunately the second suggestion doesn't work either, since x f(x) is not integrable.

Yes, if F(\lambda) is not an analytic function of lambda, this won't work.
 
Mute said:
The expansion you would need to do is a large-argument expansion, because y/lambda would be large. It looks like the leading contribution from a large y/lambda expansion would be (\lambda/y)^{1-2b}, although wolframalpha claims the Fourier transform of that is zero for 0 < Re(b) < 1/2. Hopefully the leading correction to the asymptotic series for f(y/\lambda) is non-zero and integrable.

I am probably missing something but, y/\lambda is not large on the whole interval of integration: no matter how small \lambda is, there will always be an interval around y=0 over which y/\lambda is small. In this particular case, the Taylor expansion of the integrand is only valid for large enough y/\lambda; to be exact, for y/\lambda&gt;\max(a,c). Even if we wanted to integrate this expansion, the leading term, which I think is actually (y/\lambda)^{-1-2b}, is not integrable over \mathbb{R}, due to its behavior near the origin.
 
Whether you can use stationary phase/steepest descent depends on the derivatives of f(x) in relation to lambda. You might still be able to use it.

What's your f?
 
Antiphon said:
Whether you can use stationary phase/steepest descent depends on the derivatives of f(x) in relation to lambda. You might still be able to use it.

What's your f?
Hi, my f is
f(x)=\frac{(a^2+x^2)^{-b}}{x+ic}.
 
For some rational values of b you might find a closed form solution via complex contour integration.

My gut tells me you are going to see the gamma function and simple confluent hypergeometric functions but only for some b.

Have you got access to a copy of Gradshteyn & Ryzhik? Or Abramowitz & Stegun? Your library should have these, and frankly so should you.
 
Also, you could do a Taylor series using the first two or three terms of the exponential, leave f(x) as it is. You will probably find closed form integrals for those, especially in the two references I gave.
 
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b is usually not rational, and I don't think it's possible to solve this integral by contour integration for irrational b. Expanding the exponential in a Taylor series doesn't work, unfortunately (see posts 3-4).
 

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