Can the spring constant k be negative ?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the spring constant "k" in the context of a spring-block system. The original poster presents a problem involving work done on a spring as a block is moved through various positions, questioning the possibility of a negative spring constant based on their calculations.

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  • Participants explore the implications of the negative sign in the work equation for springs, questioning whether it applies to the spring constant itself. There is a discussion about the distinction between the work done by the user versus the work done by the spring.

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The conversation has led to some clarification regarding the signs used in the work calculations. Participants are examining the definitions and assumptions related to work done on and by the spring, with some expressing confusion about the interpretation of the problem. The original poster acknowledges a mistake in their calculations.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the correct interpretation of work done in the context of spring mechanics, with participants questioning the assumptions made in the original poster's approach. The problem is framed within a textbook context, which may impose specific constraints on the interpretation of the spring constant.

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Can the spring constant "k" be negative ?

Hi,
I found a difficulty when solving this problem from my textbook :

In the arrangement of Figure 7-11 (which is basically a standard block attached to spring resting horizontally), we gradually pull the block from x = 0 to x = +3.0 cm, where it is stationary. Figure 7-36 gives the work that our force does on the block. We then pull the block out to x = +5.0 cm and release it from rest. How much work does the spring do on the block when the block moves from xi = +5.0 cm to (a) x = +4.0 cm, (b) x = –2.0 cm, and (c) x = –5.0 cm?

So I found the spring constant k:
W = -0.5kx2
0.9 = -0.5k(0.03)2
k = -2000 N/m ? of course it's wrong (the correct answer is 2000 N/m) but i couldn't find my mistake.
Please help me :)
 

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idir93 said:
So I found the spring constant k:
W = -0.5kx2
Why do you have a minus sign? The work done (by you) when stretching a spring is positive.
 


Doc Al said:
Why do you have a minus sign? The work done (by you) when stretching a spring is positive.

We are talking about the spring's work, if it was our work, does human being have a spring constant ? :

W=F.d.cosθ / θ=180°
So it will be negative
 


Sure, the spring's work will be negative. So what? The spring constant is still positive.

What makes you think that that is a diagram of the spring's work? It looks like the positive work that you do in stretching the spring.
 


ok right so how would you answer to the problem ?
 


ok thank you i found my mistake, thank you very much
Kf - Ki = Wa + Ws

since it goes from rest to rest then Kf - Ki = 0j so Wa = -Ws ;)
 

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