Atmospheric Pressure Sounds Intense

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The discussion revolves around the concept of atmospheric pressure, specifically its magnitude and effects on the human body. Participants explore the implications of atmospheric pressure being approximately 101,300 Pa and how this translates to force exerted on surfaces, particularly at sea level.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of atmospheric pressure in terms of force and question why such a significant force does not lead to crushing effects. There is exploration of the idea that pressure acts equally in all directions, leading to a net force of zero. Some participants also consider the compensatory mechanisms of the body in relation to pressure changes.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing insights and calculations related to atmospheric pressure and its effects. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the topic, as participants express confusion about the apparent contradiction between high pressure and the lack of crushing effects. Some guidance is provided regarding the compensatory actions of the body in response to pressure changes.

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Participants reference specific measurements and conditions, such as the height of the air column and the limitations of human physiology under pressure. There is an emphasis on the differences between atmospheric pressure and hydrostatic pressure, particularly in relation to breathing and the effects of water pressure.

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Ok, so 1 atm≈101,300 Pa that is 101,300 Newtons per square meter, presumably at sea level. If we look at the force in terms of lbs this is 101,300 N* (.225 lb/1 N)≈22,792 lb.

The pressure per square meter seems pretty intense to me when I thought of it in terms of force. I didn't ask my instructor about this because I didn't notice at first. It's bizarre; how can their be that much force without things being crushed?

At first I thought that it might have something to do with pressure being equal in all directions, so that the forces maybe cancel at some particular depth i.e. a net force is 0. However, that would imply that a planet's atmosphere could not be crushing; we might as well be on Venus.
 
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Yes, and that's because a 7 mile high column of air weighs down on the Earth's surface.
 
Dickfore said:
Yes, and that's because a 7 mile high column of air weighs down on the Earth's surface.

Yeah, I understand why there's so much pressure, what I don't fully understand is why this pressure isn't more crushing than you would intuitively anticipate. Every square meter there's over 20 thousand lbs of force according to that little calculation I did.

I think the forces just largely cancel softening the net force, since pressure is the same in all directions.
 
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AdkinsJr said:
Yeah, I understand why there's so much pressure, what I don't fully understand is why this pressure isn't more crushing than you would intuitively anticipate.

It is very crushing, but it gets compensated, not from all sides, but from the inside and outside. When you try to inhale, your diaphragm reduces the internal pressure a little bit, so that the lungs fill up with air, and, conversely, it increases it a little more when you try to exhale.

The pressure of a column of air that is 10.3 m high has the same hydrostatic pressure as the atmospheric pressure. Yet, the maximum depth you could go with a snorkel is around 50 cm, i.e. one twentieth of that. Anything deeper would place too much of a load on your lungs that you won't be able to inhale or exhale.

So, your calculation was right in some sense. Suppose your lungs are 30 cm x 20 cm. That is an area of 0.06 m2. Atmospheric pressure causes a pressure force of 6 kN, the equivalent of the weight of 600 kg (1,320 lb) on your chest and back! One twentieth of that is 30 kg (66 lb). So, this brings the calculated numbers to the ballpark of intuition. You see, it is this uncompensated extra pressure from the water that our bodies were not designed to tollerate. Even moderate depths cause failure.
 

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