How Deep Must You Dive to Match Venus's Surface Pressure?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the depth required in Earth's oceans to match the atmospheric pressure on Venus's surface, which is approximately 9 x 10^6 N/m^2. The context includes concepts of pressure, density, and gravitational force.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between pressure, density, and mass, with some expressing confusion about how to connect these concepts. There are attempts to derive the pressure from the height of a water column and its corresponding force.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided hints regarding the calculation of pressure from force and area, while others are exploring the symbolic representation of variables. The discussion is ongoing, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating through the definitions and relationships between pressure, density, and gravitational force, indicating a need for clarity on these foundational concepts. There may be assumptions regarding the uniformity of gravitational acceleration on both planets.

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Homework Statement


Water has a density of 1000kg/m^3, so a column of water n meters tall and 1 meter square at its base has a mass of nx1000kg. On either Earth or Venus, which have nearly the same surface gravity, a mass of 1 kg weighs about 9.8 Newtons. Calculate how deep you would have to descend into Earth's oceans for the pressure to equal the atmospheric pressure on Venus's surface, about 9 x 10^6 N/m^2.


Homework Equations


Density = mass/volume
Pressure = force/unit of surface area


The Attempt at a Solution


I'm confused as to how to relate pressure to density or mass. Any hint or push in the right direction would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
 
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Remember that pressure is force per unit area. So (for instance), what would be the pressure underneath the column of water in the beginning of the problem?
 
Would the pressure equal (n meters)(1000kg)(9.8m/s^2)/m^3?
 
lmannoia said:
Would the pressure equal (n meters)(1000kg)(9.8m/s^2)/m^3?
You're on the right track, but not quite.

If we're looking for pressure, we should start with force---provided by gravity, thus F = mg. Mass m is then density times volume. Try to keep everything symbolic here (i.e. use \rho instead of 1000). So what's the volume of the column? Then plug in for the force. Now, over what area is that force being distributed?---the pressure is then P = F/A
 

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