Atomic radius and Ionization Energy Trends?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the trends of atomic radius and ionization energy in the periodic table, exploring how these properties vary among different elements. Participants examine the relationships between atomic structure and these properties, as well as the distinctions between related concepts like electronegativity and ionization energy.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the atomic radius is larger for elements in lower periods due to more energy levels, while in the same period, the element with the lower atomic number has a larger radius.
  • Others argue that the atom with the most electrons is the largest, but this may not hold true for lanthanides due to the phenomenon of lanthanide contraction.
  • One participant notes that ionization energy is related to the energy required to remove an electron, with atoms having a full octet requiring more energy.
  • There is a distinction made between electronegativity and ionization energy, with some participants asserting they are not the same, as electronegativity relates to attraction due to charge differences.
  • Several participants emphasize the importance of consulting raw data to confirm or challenge claims about atomic trends.
  • One participant mentions the need to understand how data conclusions are derived for a more scientific approach.
  • Recommendations for apps that provide information on periodic trends are shared, highlighting resources for further exploration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the factors influencing atomic radius and ionization energy, with no consensus reached on the accuracy of the initial claims or the relationships between these properties.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about atomic radius and ionization energy are contingent on specific conditions, such as the number of electrons and protons, and may not apply universally across all elements, particularly in the f-block region.

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My teacher was not too clear about this and from what I've gathered is if you're given two elements this is how you would figure out which one has a larger atomic radius or ionization energy, but I'm not sure if it's accurate

Radius: Whichever one is in a lower period (more energy levels) has a larger radius, if they're in the same period whichever one has the lower atomic number has a larger atomic radius
I.E - Whichever one is in the higher period (less energy levels) has more ionization energy, if they're in the same period the one with the higher atomic number is higher

Also, are Electronegativity and I.E the same thing except noble gases have an electronegativity of 0?
 
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You should be able to easily find raw data (for example just google for periodic table trends atomic radius) and they will either confirm, or deny what you wrote.

To (mis)quote or paraphrase Feynman - in the end it is data (nature) that is right, doesn't matter what we think or predict.
 
Hey there,

For the radius, whichever atom has the most electrons is the biggest. However, if you have two atoms with the same number of electrons, the atom with the LEAST PROTONS is the biggest. Ionization Energy is how much energy is required to remove an electron, so atoms with a full octet will require the most energy in order to remove an electron. So the more valence electrons = more I.E required.

Also, no, electronegativity and ionization energy aren't the same thing. Electronegativity is the attraction due to different charges.
 
cazzuey said:
For the radius, whichever atom has the most electrons is the biggest.

Not necessarily. Check radii of lanthanides.
 
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cazzuey said:
For the radius, whichever atom has the most electrons is the biggest.

Actually this holds well till we reach the f-block elements. Post this, the phenomenon of lanthanide contraction dominates and we observe deviations. Just like Borek said.
 
Borek said:
You should be able to easily find raw data (for example just google for periodic table trends atomic radius) and they will either confirm, or deny what you wrote.

To (mis)quote or paraphrase Feynman - in the end it is data (nature) that is right, doesn't matter what we think or predict.

You do that thing. It's a matter for your judgment whether the data you will find could be called 'raw'. Until you understand how the conclusions called 'data' have been arrived at it is not fully scientific.

Here is an official explanation of the results, though not how they were obtaine, and you can find many others like it:. https://www.khanacademy.org/science...ic-table-trends-bonding/v/atomic-radius-trend

If you are intending to go much further in chemistry (or atomic physics) then I advise: always connect. Ionisation is the special extreme case of promotion or increase of energy of an electron. The more general case is jumping between different levels within the atom. If you have got at least as far as the Bohr atom, then Google for Mosley's law, and pick among what comes out according to your level.
 
The Chemical Touch app, is an excellent reference for this sort of stuff and only costs a dollar and a half. There's also the free Merck PTE app that has this information laid out in a very elegant graphical form and it's free without ads!
 

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