Atomic Structure: Uncovering the Nucleon of Chlorine 35.5

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concept of the nucleon of Chlorine 35.5, specifically addressing why its value is not a whole number. Participants explore the distinction between atomic mass and atomic weight, as well as the implications of these definitions.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the nucleon of Chlorine is 35.5 and not a whole number.
  • Another participant clarifies that 35.5 refers to atomic weight, not atomic mass.
  • A question is raised about the difference between atomic mass and atomic weight.
  • Definitions of atomic mass and atomic weight are proposed, with atomic mass described as the mass of a single atom and atomic weight as the average mass of all atoms of an element.
  • Participants discuss the specification of atomic mass being measured when the atom is motionless and whether motion affects mass.
  • The concept of relativistic mass is introduced, suggesting that moving objects can appear heavier at high speeds.
  • Dimensionless physical quantities are defined as those without units, contrasting with mass and length which have specific units.
  • A participant concludes that the non-whole number arises from averaging the masses of the element's isotopes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing levels of understanding regarding atomic mass and atomic weight, with some clarifications provided but no consensus on the implications of motion on mass. The discussion remains somewhat unresolved regarding the deeper implications of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Definitions provided by participants may vary in precision, and the discussion includes assumptions about the understanding of basic concepts in atomic theory.

Jadaav
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I got a question :

Why is the nucleon of Chlorine 35.5 ? Why is is not a whole number ?
 
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35.5 is not an atomic mass, it is atomic weight of the element.
 
What's the difference between atomic mass and atomic weight of an element ?
 
Have you ever heard about google and wikipedia?
 
Yeah, I searched in Wikipedia.
 
And you still don't know what is a difference between the two? Can you quote or write - in your own words - one line definitions of both?
 
Atomic mass is the mass of 1 atom comprising of its protons, neutrons and electrons.

Atomic weight is the average mass of all the atoms of an element that exist to 1/12 of the mass of an atom of Carbon - 12.

Am I right here ?

Wikipedia says this:

"The atomic mass is the total mass of protons, neutrons and electrons in a single atom (when the atom is motionless)"

Why does it specify when the atom is motionless ? Does it make a difference if its in motion ?

"Atomic weight (symbol: Ar) is a dimensionless physical quantity,..."

What is a dimensionless physical quantity ?
 
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Jadaav said:
Am I right here ?

Yes.

Now, get back to your question and see if you can answer it.

Why does it specify when the atom is motionless ? Does it make a difference if its in motion?

Yes - moving objects get heavier (although for the effect to be observable their speed must be real high). Google for "relativistic mass".

What is a dimensionless physical quantity ?

One that has no units. Mass has units of kg (pound, stone...), length has units of m (feet, cable...), atomic weight has no units.
 
Now I got the answer to my question. It is not a whole number because it is the average mass of the element. When making averages, we often encounter decimals.
 
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Wasn't that hard :smile:
 
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Yeah, thanks to you:smile:
 

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