Average kinetic energy of particles of an ideal gas

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The discussion revolves around calculating the average kinetic energy of particles in an ideal gas at two different temperatures: 0.0 °C and 100 °C. The original poster seeks clarification on the difference between the kinetic energy of individual particles and that of a mole of gas, while also referencing relevant constants and equations.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the distinction between kinetic energy per particle and per mole, with some confirming the correctness of calculations based on the ideal gas law and constants. There are also discussions about the importance of units in calculations.

Discussion Status

Participants have provided feedback on the calculations and clarified the significance of using correct units. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between different constants and their implications for the problem, but no explicit consensus has been reached regarding the final correctness of the calculations.

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Some participants note the importance of specifying units in physics, and there is a mention of potential confusion due to keyboard layout affecting symbol usage. The original poster expresses some uncertainty about the task's requirements and the calculations involved.

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Homework Statement


So first the task:
Determine the average value of the kinetic energy of the particles of an ideal gas at 0.0 C and at 100 C (b) What is the kinetic energy per mole of an Ideal gas at these temperatures.

I took the above right out of the pdf we got from our professor.
I know that:
The gas constant is 8.3145 = R
T = Temperature

What got me confused here is that this question seems to be a two-parter. So according to this task I have to find the average kinetic energy for particles AND moles. Is there a difference? Or am I done already?

2. Homework Equations

Ek = 3/2RT --- As far as I can tell.

The Attempt at a Solution


So far I got down to this:

0.0 C = 273K;
Ek= 3/2 x 8.3145 x 273k =3404.79 J/mol = 3.405 kJ/mol
100 C = 373K
Ek= 3/2 x 8.3145 x 373k =4651.96 J/mol = 4.651 kJ/mol
 
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Yes, there is a difference. There is significantly more kinetic energy in a mole than in the average particle. A mole consists of ##N_A## particles.
 
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And there I was hoping it was a typo. But tell me, is my attempt correct? As far as I understand I found the kinetic energy of a mole right?
 
Sipko said:
And there I was hoping it was a typo. But tell me, is my attempt correct? As far as I understand I found the kinetic energy of a mole right?
Yes, and it seems fine as long as your gas is ideal.
 
So I have looked into the Avogadros constant and the Boltzmann constant and I came up with this formula:
Ek = 1/2mv2 = 3/2kT
where k = Boltzmann constant = 1.3806x10-23, or R/NA. Where NA= Avogadros constant, and R = 8.3145 (Gas Constant)
from there I go:

Ek = 3/2x(1.3806x10-23)x273 = 5.65x10-21 (for 0.0 C or 273K)
Ek = 3/2x(13806x10-23)x373 = 7.7244x10-21 (for 100 C or 373K)

Right?
 
Sipko said:
Right?

Yes. Apart from one very important fact:
Sipko said:
k = Boltzmann constant = 1.3806x10-23
Boltzmann's constant is ca 1.38x10-23 J/K, just as the gas constant is ca 8.31 J/(mol K).

It is good practice to always state the units in physics, even in intermediate computations. Apart from being more correct, it will also help you spot errors and dimensional inconsistencies. Also, your result should have units of Joule, if you only state a number, it has no meaning as an energy - you must to specify the units here!
 
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Yes I always forget that.
So the answers would be :
0.0C = 5.65x10-21 J/K
100C = 7.7244x10-21 J/K
Now it should be correct.
 
Sipko said:
Yes I always forget that.
So the answers would be :
0.0C = 5.65x10-21 J/K
100C = 7.7244x10-21 J/K
Now it should be correct.

Yes. With the (somewhat picky) comment that C is a unit of charge while °C is a unit of temperature. :rolleyes:
 
Ok ok just my keyboard layout does not allow me to place that sign quickly. But as long as its understood what is meant then it shouldn't be a problem. Thanks for the help. This task is done.
 
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Sipko said:
Ok ok just my keyboard layout does not allow me to place that sign quickly.

If you click the ∑ symbol in the PF editor, you will get a selection of useful symbols which you can simply click to insert.
 

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