Average Vector Acceleration Along a Curve and a Straight Section

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The discussion revolves around calculating the average vector acceleration of a bicycle traveling along a curved path and a straight section, with a focus on understanding the implications of constant speed and the nature of acceleration in different segments of the motion.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore breaking down the motion into curved and straight segments, questioning the definition and calculation of average acceleration as a vector. There are discussions about the direction of acceleration and the implications of using terms like "right" in relation to the motion.

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Some participants have offered insights into the nature of acceleration in circular motion and its average over the path, while others have raised questions about the definitions and calculations presented. There appears to be an ongoing exploration of the concepts without a clear consensus on the approach to take.

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Participants note potential misunderstandings regarding the definitions of distance and acceleration, as well as the need for clarity in vector subtraction when discussing average acceleration. The original poster's assumptions about direction and the nature of the problem are also under scrutiny.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


##a = {v^2}{r}##
##d = vt##

The Attempt at a Solution


The way I do it is break it down into the curved and straight segment.
The bicycle is always traveling at a constant speed.
Curved portion:
distance ##\frac{\pi R^2}{4}##
acceleration ##= \frac{v^2}{R}##
time ##t = \frac{\frac{\pi R^2}{4}}{v}##

Straight portion:
distance ##R##
acceleration 0
time ##t = \frac{R}{v}##

Combining these two pieces
avg acc. = ##\frac{\frac{v^2}{R} \cdot \frac{\pi R^2}{v}}{\frac{\pi R^2}{v} +\frac{R}{v}} = \frac{\pi Rv}{\frac{\pi R^2+R}{v}} = \frac{\pi v^2}{\pi R + 1}##

As for the direction, I'm assuming it's to the right?
 

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Since the acceleration around the arc is always pointing at the center of the circle, what would be the average direction on that part? Then there is no acceleration in the straight part, so the direction is not changed.

PS. When you use the term "right" you should be clear if you are talking about the right of the diagram or to the right of the velocity vector forward direction.
 
srekai said:
##a = {v^2}{r}##
I assume you meant v2/r. That is the magnitude of the acceleration. You are told to average acceleration as a vector.
What is the definition of average acceleration?
srekai said:
distance ##\frac{\pi R^2}{4}##
That is an area, not a distance.
 
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srekai said:

Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


##a = {v^2}{r}##
##d = vt##

The Attempt at a Solution


The way I do it is break it down into the curved and straight segment.
The bicycle is always traveling at a constant speed.
Curved portion:
distance ##\frac{\pi R^2}{4}##
acceleration ##= \frac{v^2}{R}##
time ##t = \frac{\frac{\pi R^2}{4}}{v}##

Straight portion:
distance ##R##
acceleration 0
time ##t = \frac{R}{v}##

Combining these two pieces
avg acc. = ##\frac{\frac{v^2}{R} \cdot \frac{\pi R^2}{v}}{\frac{\pi R^2}{v} +\frac{R}{v}} = \frac{\pi Rv}{\frac{\pi R^2+R}{v}} = \frac{\pi v^2}{\pi R + 1}##

As for the direction, I'm assuming it's to th
srekai said:

Homework Statement


fView attachment 229300
f

Homework Equations


##a = {v^2}{r}##
##d = vt##

The Attempt at a Solution


The way I do it is break it down into the curved and straight segment.
The bicycle is always traveling at a constant speed.
Curved portion:
distance ##\frac{\pi R^2}{4}##
acceleration ##= \frac{v^2}{R}##
time ##t = \frac{\frac{\pi R^2}{4}}{v}##

Straight portion:
distance ##R##
acceleration 0
time ##t = \frac{R}{v}##

Combining these two pieces
avg acc. = ##\frac{\frac{v^2}{R} \cdot \frac{\pi R^2}{v}}{\frac{\pi R^2}{v} +\frac{R}{v}} = \frac{\pi Rv}{\frac{\pi R^2+R}{v}} = \frac{\pi v^2}{\pi R + 1}##

As for the direction, I'm assuming it's to the right?
Surely Average Acceleration is simply (final Velocity - initial velocity)/time taken.
In this case the subtraction is the subtraction of two vectors, and you have to work out an expression for the time interval, using speed and distance.
 
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PeterO said:
Surely Average Acceleration is simply (final Velocity - initial velocity)/time taken.
In this case the subtraction is the subtraction of two vectors, and you have to work out an expression for the time interval, using speed and distance.
I think that this is what @haruspex was (more subtly) alluding to.
 
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