Avg Power in a Rotational Energy/Work Problem

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to average power in the context of rotational energy and work. The original poster presents multiple parts of a question involving work done by a motor, rotational kinetic energy, angular velocity, and the calculation of average power.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the definition of average power and its relationship to work and time. There are discussions about the appropriate way to define work in the context of the problem and whether to use rounded or unrounded values in calculations. Some participants suggest considering the average angular velocity as part of the solution.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants questioning the definitions and assumptions related to average power and work. There are suggestions to set aside certain values and focus on the average over time, indicating a productive exploration of the problem's requirements.

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Participants note that the problem may be designed for self-learning, and there is a lack of provided equations in class for addressing work and power in rotational contexts. This has led to varied interpretations and approaches to the problem.

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Homework Statement
Consider a motor that exerts a constant torque of 25.0 N⋅m to a horizontal platform whose moment of inertia is 50.0 kg⋅m^2. Assume that the platform is initially at rest and the torque is applied for 12.0 rotations. Neglect friction.

What is the average power Pavg delivered by the motor in the situation above? Enter your answer in watts to three significant figures.
Relevant Equations
K = (1/2)Iw^2
W = τΔθ
P = W/Δt
This question has multiple parts and according to all the work done up to this point...

How much work W does the motor do on the platform during this process?​
1885 J​
What is the rotational kinetic energy of the platform Krot,f at the end of the process described above?​
1885 J​
What is the angular velocity ωf of the platform at the end of this process?​
8.68 rad/s​
How long Δt does it take for the motor to do the work done on the platform calculated in Part A?​
17.4 s​

Now I'm being asked...

What is the average power Pavg delivered by the motor in the situation above?​
???​

I assumed to find average power I would need average work, especially because the question's hint prompted me to find the average angular velocity, which it confirmed to be 4.34 rad/s. So I did the following calculations:
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27.1 W was not accepted as the answer. Any advice on adjustments to make to my equation? Is there a rounding error?
 
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dcmf said:
I would need average work
How would you define that?
What is the definition of average power? You wrote ##P_{avg}=W/\Delta t##, which is correct if you define that W appropriately.
 
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haruspex said:
How would you define that?
What is the definition of average power?

In class, we actually did not address work or power in the context of problems involving rotation. This homework question seems to to be presented like a way to self-learn the material, but we were not provided with an equation to work with, so I assumed I should use the P=W/Δt equation.

I'm not sure how P differs from Pavg. According to one website I just found, "average power as the total energy consumed divided by the total time taken". Would this be accurate?

If so, would doing the calculation as...
Pavg = W tot/Δttot = 1884.95559 J / 17.36646 s = 108.54 W​
(using unrounded versions of earlier values) and then rounding to 3 sig figs (109 W) be the right way to set up and solve the equation according to the above definition?
 

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haruspex said:
How would you define that?
What is the definition of average power? You wrote ##P_{avg}=W/\Delta t##, which is correct if you define that W appropriately.
I just noticed that you may have updated your reply. Would it be appropriate to use the work as defined in the first part of the question that asks "How much work W does the motor do on the platform during this process?"
 
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I would set the work aside. You are asked to find the average power over time. The time average of a function ##f(t)## over an interval ##T## is $$f_{\text{avg.}}=\frac{\int_0^T f(t)~dt}{\int_0^T dt}.$$ Think of the equivalent linear situation when you have a constant force acting on an object and the velocity is not constant. In that case, the power delivered to the object is given by $$P(t)=Fv(t)$$where ##v## is the instantaneous linear velocity. In this case you have a constant torque. What do you think the equivalent equation would be for rotations?

Put it together and you will discover why the problem asked you to find the average angular velocity first.
 
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kuruman said:
I would set the work aside.
Why?
kuruman said:
The time average of a function ##f(t)## over an interval ##T## is $$f_{\text{avg.}}=\frac{\int_0^T f(t)~dt}{\int_0^T dt}.$$
And in the present case, the numerator is the work done, no?
 
haruspex said:
Why?
Please see PM on this.
haruspex said:
And in the present case, the numerator is the work done, no?
Yes.
 

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