andyrk
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for a perfectly rigid body, how can one identify what is the axis of rotation of the rigid body? What is the condition required for an axis to be called the axis of rotation?
The discussion revolves around identifying the axis of rotation for a rigid body, specifically in the context of a solid sphere experiencing torque. Participants explore the conditions under which an axis can be defined as the axis of rotation and the implications of forces and moments acting on the body.
The discussion is active, with participants offering various perspectives on the axis of rotation and its dependence on the reference frame. Some guidance is provided regarding the conditions for defining the axis, but multiple interpretations and questions remain open for exploration.
There are constraints regarding the definitions of motion and reference frames, with participants noting that the axis of rotation may vary based on the frame of reference and the nature of the motion (e.g., pure rotation versus translation and rotation combined).
andyrk said:Yes so in case of rotation and translation of a sphere the centre of mass doesn't have zero velocity. Yet it is considered as axis of rotation.
Or is it that it is considered axis of rotation just when we are applying torque and not after it because then it has gained some velocity?
So that's why we take the bottom most point in the sphere rolling without slipping as the instantaneous axis of rotation?
So what would be the axis of rotation if a sphere is rolling with slipping?
voko said:This can be correct only in a reference frame co-moving with the sphere. In any other frame, the axis is elsewhere.
andyrk said:What would be the axis of rotation in an inertial frame of reference? Like ground?
Better: The axis of rotation is that locus where the instantaneous velocity as expressed in some reference frame is zero.voko said:For the record, the axis of rotation is defined as a locus where the velocity is zero.
You're looking at things from a frame of reference that differs from the frame in which the axis of rotation is arbitrarily defined in this particular example.andyrk said:Yes so in case of rotation and translation of a sphere the centre of mass doesn't have zero velocity. Yet it is considered as axis of rotation.