B field at Center of Conducting Square

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The discussion revolves around calculating the magnetic field at the center of a conducting square using the Biot-Savart Law. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the application of the law and the necessity of integration in the problem-solving process.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to model each side of the square as an individual wire and calculates the distance to the center. They question the need for integration in the Biot-Savart Law application. Other participants clarify that the distance from the point of interest to the wires is significant and suggest that the general form of the law, which requires integration, is necessary for accurate results.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the implications of the Biot-Savart Law and discussing the importance of defining a suitable coordinate system for the analysis. There is a focus on understanding the contributions of each wire segment to the magnetic field at the center of the square.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the original poster's struggle with knowing when to apply specific formulas versus when to integrate, highlighting a potential gap in understanding the conditions under which different approaches are appropriate.

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Hi there I am just really confused as to how they arrived at the answer to this problem. I attached a picture of the entire question and the solution.

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Homework Equations


Biot Savart Law for Magnetism of a Wire where the length of wire is much larger than distance away from the wire where the B field is being measured is:

(μ/4π)(2I/r)

I: current
r: distance from wire

The Attempt at a Solution



How I approached the problem, I modeled each side of the square of length L as an individual wire such that each wire contributes a B field at the center of the square. Since each side is of length L. I calculated (using a right triangle) that 2L^2= D^2 where D^2 equals the length from corner to corner. So

Solving for D, D = (2L^2)^(1/2) = L(2)^(1/2). Since I want to locate the center I then divided this by 2.

So I figured that the center is located at [L sqrt(2)]/2

I simply then plugged this into the equation above for r. And then multiplied by 4 since there are four wires contributing a magnetic field B at that location.

My final answer: 4(μ/π)(I/(L sqrt(2)) but the answer is actually [(μ)(I)/(2πL)](sqrt(2))

In the explanation they give then end up doing some really complicated math and integrating the general Biot Savart Law to get their answer. I am confused as to why they would integrate. Are they integrating because each section of each of the wires (ΔL) is contributing a magnetic field at B? Why can't I simply use the equation that I used? I feel like a lot of the times I struggle with these problems because I do not know when to use the formula and when to integrate. This is an example of this. Please help me!

Thank you
 

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The point P is at a vertical distance L/2 from any of the wires. This is certainly comparable to the length of each of the wires, so the equation you posted cannot be used. You will have to use the general form of Biot-Savart, which indeed involves doing an integral.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biot–Savart_law
 
By this you mean that the point P is actually only a distance of L/2 from the centers of any of the wires right? Do we assume that we are measuring the contribution of each of the wires from the center of the wires?
 
ikentrovik said:
By this you mean that the point P is actually only a distance of L/2 from the centers of any of the wires right?
Yes
Do we assume that we are measuring the contribution of each of the wires from the center of the wires?
The question only wants you to consider the B field contribution from one of the wires. So, the first thing to do would be to define a coordinate system suitable for your chosen segment and express all the ingredients of the Biot-Savart equation relative to it. Note that Biot-Savart is a line integral, so you will be integrating over the segment that you choose.

Choosing the lower most horizontal segment to analyse, for example, a convenient coordinate system would be one with its origin in the middle of the segment, so that the ends of the segment are at a distance +L/2 and -L/2 from the origin.
 
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