Prove Baby Rudin Problem: Constant f If |f(x)-f(y)|≤(x-y)^2

  • Thread starter Thread starter Government$
  • Start date Start date
Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion centers on proving that a function \( f \) defined for all real \( x \) is constant if it satisfies the condition \( |f(x) - f(y)| \leq (x-y)^2 \) for all real \( x \) and \( y \). Participants clarify that assuming \( f \) is constant at the outset is invalid, as the proof must derive this conclusion from the given inequality. Key insights include recognizing that the function is uniformly continuous and Lipschitz, which may lead to establishing differentiability, although differentiability is not guaranteed by the initial conditions.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of real analysis concepts, particularly uniform continuity and Lipschitz conditions.
  • Familiarity with the properties of inequalities in mathematical proofs.
  • Knowledge of differentiability and its implications in function behavior.
  • Basic understanding of calculus, specifically the concept of derivatives.
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the implications of Lipschitz continuity in real analysis.
  • Learn how to prove uniform continuity from given inequalities.
  • Explore the relationship between differentiability and continuity in functions.
  • Investigate the conditions under which a function can be shown to be constant using calculus.
USEFUL FOR

Mathematics students, particularly those studying real analysis, and educators seeking to deepen their understanding of function properties and proofs in the context of mathematical analysis.

Government$
Messages
87
Reaction score
1

Homework Statement


Let f be defined for all real x and suppose that,
\left|f(x) - f(y)\right|\leq(x-y)^2

for all real x and y. Prove that f is constant.

The Attempt at a Solution


First of all, is following allowed. Since f is constant then \left|f(x) - f(y)\right|=0, and form here to build my proof?

Here is what i don't understand. If i suppose that \left|f(x) - f(y)\right|\leq(x-y)^2 then does that imply that f(x) is always greater then f(y)?
Since (x-y)^2>0 when x≠y then that means that \left|f(x) - f(y)\right|> 0 because if it were to be \left|f(x) - f(y)\right|= 0 we would violate x≠y . Onliy way that \left|f(x) - f(y)\right|> 0 is that f(x) is always greater then f(y)

But this leads me to contradiction since f should be constant i.e. \left|f(x) - f(y)\right|=0.

On the other hand (x-y)^2=0 iff x=y then that means that \left|f(x) - f(y)\right|= 0.

So perhaps my question boils down to is can i take that x=y or am i only allowed to that x≠y?Also i am trying to think of all things that will prove that some function is constant. First thing that comes to mind is that first derivative is 0. Can that be a starting point?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Government$ said:

Homework Statement


Let f be defined for all real x and suppose that,
\left|f(x) - f(y)\right|\leq(x-y)^2

for all real x and y. Prove that f is constant.

The Attempt at a Solution


First of all, is following allowed. Since f is constant
No, this isn't allowed. You can't assume that f is constant - that's what you need to show. Starting with the given inequality, you need to arrive at the conclusion that f is constant.
Government$ said:
then \left|f(x) - f(y)\right|=0, and form here to build my proof?

Here is what i don't understand. If i suppose that \left|f(x) - f(y)\right|\leq(x-y)^2 then does that imply that f(x) is always greater then f(y)?
No it doesn't imply that. |f(x) - f(y)| is always >= 0, regardless of which function is larger.
Government$ said:
Since (x-y)^2>0 when x≠y then that means that \left|f(x) - f(y)\right|> 0 because if it were to be \left|f(x) - f(y)\right|= 0 we would violate x≠y . Onliy way that \left|f(x) - f(y)\right|> 0 is that f(x) is always greater then f(y)

But this leads me to contradiction since f should be constant i.e. \left|f(x) - f(y)\right|=0.

On the other hand (x-y)^2=0 iff x=y then that means that \left|f(x) - f(y)\right|= 0.

So perhaps my question boils down to is can i take that x=y or am i only allowed to that x≠y?Also i am trying to think of all things that will prove that some function is constant. First thing that comes to mind is that first derivative is 0. Can that be a starting point?
 
Government$ said:
Also i am trying to think of all things that will prove that some function is constant. First thing that comes to mind is that first derivative is 0. Can that be a starting point?
It sounds promising, but you aren't given that the function is differentiable. Can you show it is differentiable based on the given inequality?

One observation is that the function is uniformly continuous, because if |x - y| \leq 1 we have
$$|f(x) - f(y)| \leq (x-y)^2 \leq |x - y|$$
In fact, this shows that f is Lipschitz, a stronger condition than uniform continuity, but weaker than differentiability. Perhaps with a bit more work you can show differentiability?
 
Try dividing both sides by \mid x-y\mid and then find a way to look at it as f'(y).
 
This is a dumb question (like so many in baby Rudin, what a terible book). Clearly f is differentiable, but I prefer to note

$$|\mathrm{f}(x)-\mathrm{f}(y)|=\left| \sum^n_{k=1}(\mathrm{f}(z_k)-\mathrm{f}(z_{k-1}))\right|\le \sum^n_{k=1}|\mathrm{f}(z_k)-\mathrm{f}(z_{k-1})|\le \sum^n_{k=1}(z_k-z_{k-1})^2=(x-y)^2/n\le \epsilon$$
where
$$z_k=y+(x-y)(k/n)$$
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
3K
Replies
8
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
1K