Back of envelope calculations for thurst, specific impulse, etc.

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The discussion revolves around performing "back of envelope calculations" for thrust, specific impulse, and power requirements for a space journey of 630 million kilometers with a payload of 2000 kg over the course of one year. Participants explore basic principles of propulsion without delving into complex orbital mechanics.

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  • One participant seeks basic calculations for thrust and power needed for a long-distance space journey, expressing a lack of experience in propulsion.
  • Another participant suggests that the required thrust depends on gravity and the desired speed at arrival, proposing two scenarios: a quick acceleration followed by coasting, or a constant acceleration for half the journey.
  • A mathematical approach is presented using the equation of motion to calculate the necessary acceleration and resulting thrust of 2 mN for the journey.
  • A follow-up question is raised regarding the calculation of power required for the journey, with a proposed formula involving mass, acceleration, distance, and time.
  • Another participant suggests an alternative method for calculating power using kinetic energy at the midpoint divided by the time to that midpoint.

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Participants have not reached a consensus on the specific calculations or methods to determine thrust and power, with multiple approaches and interpretations being discussed.

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The discussion lacks detailed assumptions about propulsion systems, specific impulse definitions, and the effects of gravitational forces during the journey. The calculations presented are preliminary and may depend on additional factors not fully explored in the thread.

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Individuals interested in basic propulsion calculations, space mission planning, or those seeking to understand the preliminary aspects of thrust and power requirements in space travel.

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"Back of envelope calculations" for thurst, specific impulse, etc.

I am working on a project that is really out of my realm of experience, so if you could give me some basics, that would be much appreciated.
How do you determine the amount of thrust, power, etc. needed to travel a distance of 630 million kilometers in space? What if the payload is 2000 kg and I want the journey to take 1 year? Don't worry about trajectories and orbital mechanics...I just want a simple calculation. The thrust calculations I am familiar with are those in which the thrust is the force necessary to overcome drag, but I'm assuming there's a more general form? How do I get the specific impulse? Power?
Suppose I'm launching from high Earth orbit as well. I guess I need escape velocity for HEO?
I really have no experience with propulsion, but I just need some ballpark figures to base a design on.
 
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Really it all depends on the gravity, if you not near any bodies and not in orbit then it depends on how fast you want to go - and what speed you want to be doing when you get there.

Simplest case would be to accelerate the 2000kg to full speed quickly, coast for a year and then spend a similairly negligible time slowing down.
Lowest energy case would be to accelerate constantly for 6months, then turn around and decellerate at the same rate for 6 months.

s = ut + 0.5 at^2
s = 630e9 m, t = 32e6 sec
a = 2 s/ t^2 = 1.2 e-6 m/s^2
So a constant force of 2mN would do it.
 
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Thanks!
What is the power required for the journey then? Is it just mass*acceleration*distance/time?
 
Or you could use ke at the midpoint divided by the time to midpoint.
 

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