Backyard astronomers, how do you decide what to look at?

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The discussion revolves around how backyard astronomers decide what celestial objects to observe, considering factors such as equipment limitations, environmental conditions, and personal preferences. Participants share their experiences and methods for planning observations, including the use of software and local resources.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express a preference for planning observations using software like Stellarium or Starry Night, while others rely on simpler methods or personal experience.
  • Several contributors mention the challenges posed by light pollution and obstructions such as trees and buildings, which affect their ability to observe certain objects.
  • One participant notes the importance of considering the brightness of objects like Venus, which can be observed before dark.
  • There are discussions about the impact of local conditions, such as altitude and proximity to observatories, on viewing experiences.
  • Some participants share their experiences with family and children, discussing the difficulties of engaging them in astronomy and the balance between family responsibilities and observing time.
  • One participant suggests that joining a local astronomical society can provide valuable resources and support for planning observations.
  • There are differing opinions on the use of technology, with some advocating for modern GoTo mounts while others prefer manual methods and star hopping.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best methods for planning observations, as various approaches and challenges are discussed. Multiple competing views remain regarding the use of technology versus traditional methods, as well as the impact of local conditions on observing opportunities.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the varying levels of experience among participants, the impact of environmental factors on visibility, and the ongoing restrictions due to the Covid-19 situation affecting access to local parks and astronomical societies.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in backyard astronomy, particularly those facing challenges with light pollution or obstructions, as well as those looking for community support and resources for planning observations.

  • #31
lomidrevo said:
or polarizing filter
I’m not so sure that the reduction in luminosity is great enough with polarisers . Iirc, my ND is 12% and even that’s pretty bright.
 
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  • #32
I don't know much about these filters. I just checked out real quickly what is available and prices range from $40 for the polarizing filters to in excess of $300 for UHC filters. What's what, I assume that you get what you pay for, what's the benefit and what is the sweet spot? Or maybe this is a topic for a new thread?
 
  • #33
An ND filter need only cost a few quid. No need to go mad. 😉
 
  • #34
I have an ND96 moon filter. Is that going to help see faint nebulae?
 
  • #35
Nick-stg said:
I have an ND96 moon filter. Is that going to help see faint nebulae?

No, just the opposite.

A moon filter reduces the intensity of all wavelengths, including wavelengths typically emitted by nebulae. A moon filter is to be used when looking at the moon with you scope.

On the other hand, a UHC filter reduces the intensity of all wavelengths, except wavelengths typically emitted by nebulae, which get transmitted normally, i.e., backgound light is reduced much more than light from nebulae.
 
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  • #36
George Jones said:
On the other hand, a UHC filter reduces the intensity of all wavelengths, except wavelengths typically emitted by nebulae,
That was my understanding. Thank you for confirming. But what about the h-alpha, h-beta, O-III etc.. based on their descriptions these appear to do the same thing as the UHC filters. What's the difference?
 
  • #37
Nick-stg said:
That was my understanding. Thank you for confirming. But what about the h-alpha, h-beta, O-III etc.. based on their descriptions these appear to do the same thing as the UHC filters. What's the difference?

While I have an 8-inch scope, I don't own any filters, and I am not much of a guide for them. Try

https://starizona.com/tutorial/narrowband-imaging/
 
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  • #38
sophiecentaur said:
I’m not so sure that the reduction in luminosity is great enough with polarisers . Iirc, my ND is 12% and even that’s pretty bright.
on the filter I got (Orion Variable Polarizing Filter), you can adjust the amount of light transmission from 1% to 40%. Very practical, as you can appreciate different transmission in case of full moon, and different one in case of observing Jupiter (I noticed that some very fine details can be enhaced by using the filter even with Jupiter).
 
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  • #39
Nick-stg said:
But what about the h-alpha, h-beta, O-III etc.. based on their descriptions these appear to do the same thing as the UHC filters. What's the difference?
Narrow-band vs broad band. Those that specifically identify an emission line block everything except that emission line. UHC filters have a broad band of what they let in and/or a narrow band of what they block (sodium-sulphur lines from street lights, for example). It's all described in the product details:

https://www.highpointscientific.com...AlF9u7D3DkxBz0fxXVsgV4eoO03C9h_caArNcEALw_wcB
 
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  • #40
lomidrevo said:
on the filter I got (Orion Variable Polarizing Filter), you can adjust the amount of light transmission from 1% to 40%. Very practical, as you can appreciate different transmission in case of full moon, and different one in case of observing Jupiter (I noticed that some very fine details can be enhaced by using the filter even with Jupiter).
I totally agree. I never bought those. Probably more expensive than an nd filter? I must admit that I was commenting on a straight photographic polar
 
  • #41
Nick-stg said:
That was my understanding. Thank you for confirming. But what about the h-alpha, h-beta, O-III etc.. based on their descriptions these appear to do the same thing as the UHC filters. What's the difference?
The UHC filter idea is a compromise between cutting out what you don't want to see (visually) and letting as much in that you do want. The resulting image is not quite as bright, of course but if you exclude nearby light sources and get light adapted, you can see a lot and the contrast is improved, of course. Astrophotography uses narrow band filters, for instance H-alpha (which will show you virtually nothing visually) and you use long exposure times (tracking and possibly guiding needed). Separate exposures with each filter produce a set of images which can be mixed to taste.
 
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  • #43
chemisttree said:
I can’t believe the prices though
Annoying innit? But think of the man-hours in quality checking and the cost of low volume sales. Then realize that 'enthusiasts' in any field are suckers. At least you can measure the results here - unlike with the snake oil that goes into most HiFi equipment.
 
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  • #44
sophiecentaur said:
unlike with the snake oil that goes into most HiFi equipment.
Don't get me started on that one...
 

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