How Do You Balance Complex Chemical Equations in Ionic and Neutral Forms?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on balancing complex chemical equations in both ionic and neutral forms, specifically for the leaching of enargite by sodium bisulfide and the oxidation of As2S5. Participants explore the challenges of balancing these reactions, including the roles of various ions and the conditions under which the reactions occur.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an initial attempt at balancing the equations but struggles with the final steps, particularly regarding electron transfer and the use of half-reactions.
  • Another participant suggests incorporating water and hydroxide ions to balance hydrogen and oxygen in the first reaction, prompting a consideration of oxidation and reduction processes.
  • A later reply indicates a resolution to the first equation, with a participant stating they found the correct balance but omitting hydrogen ions in their presentation.
  • Concerns are raised about the absence of hydrogen ions in the balanced equation, leading to a clarification that they were indeed present but not initially included.
  • Another participant questions the charge balance in the equations, highlighting discrepancies between the left and right sides of the reactions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the balancing of the equations, with some proposing solutions while others challenge those solutions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the complete balancing of the equations, particularly in the context of charge balance and the role of specific ions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their approaches, including the need for additional ions to achieve neutrality and the complexities introduced by the presence of ferric ions and water in the reactions.

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Homework Statement



Write the balanced chemical reactions in ionic and neutral forms for:
i) Enargite leaching by sodium bisulfide in basic solution to form chalcocite and thioarsenate.
ii) Oxygen pressure oxidation of As2S5 in acid solution to form scorodite. Assume all sulfide sulfur forms sulfate. (Assume that ferric ion is present in solution).

Homework Equations


N/A

The Attempt at a Solution


i) Cu3AsS4 + HS- = Cu2S + AsS43-
Balancing:
Cu3AsS4 + HS- = 3/2Cu2S + AsS43-
Cu3AsS4 + HS- = 3/2Cu2S + AsS43- +H+
Cu3AsS4 + HS- +e-= 3/2Cu2S + AsS43- +H+

? I cannot seem to balance the last equation properly. I do know that the e- present in the equation means that there should be 2 half reactions, not one as above, but cannot figure those out either.

ii) As2S5+O2 = AsO43-+SO42-

Left side:
As2S5 = AsO43-+SO42-
As2S5 = 2AsO43-+5SO42-
As2S5+28H2O= 2AsO43-+5SO42-
As2S5+28H2O= 2AsO43-+5SO42-+56H+
As2S5+28H2O= 2AsO43-+5SO42-+56H++40e-

Right side:
O2 = ?
O2 = 2H2O
O2 + 4H+= 2H2O
O2 + 4H++4e-= 2H2O

Add together (and cancel out e-):
As2S5+28H2O= 2AsO43-+5SO42-+56H++40e-
10*(O2 + 4H++4e-= 2H2O)

Ionic Form ===> As2S5+8H2O+10O2 = 2AsO43-+5SO42-+16H+

It is balanced (I checked).

But, I get into trouble when I try to get the neutral form. Nothing on the right requires ferric (the cation I use to put all aq terms into neutral form), thus there is an imbalance of iron. Also, how do I deal with the 2H2O that appears as part of scorodite? Do I just assume that it has become part of the solution?

EDIT: Figured out 1)ii) Use H+ (and NOT ferric, Fe3+) as the cation to turn products into neutral compounds (and thus the entire reaction into neutral form).
i.e. As2S5+8H2O+10O2 = 2H3AsO4+5H2SO4
 
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1question said:
i) Enargite leaching by sodium bisulfide in basic solution to form chalcocite and thioarsenate.

In basic solution means you should use water and OH- to balance hydrogen and oxygen. I don't see them in your equation.

Have you tried to decide what is getting oxidized and what is getting reduced?
 
I solved it:

Cu3AsS4 + 3/2HS- = 3/2Cu2S + AsS43-

I can't believe I didn't see that earlier. Thanks for the reply!

(Why can't I edit my post after a given amount of time? It would be nice to be able to grab the formatted stuff from there and change it to suit my current needs...)
 
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Cu3AsS4 + 3/2HS- = 3/2Cu2S + AsS43-

And where is the hydrogen on the right?

(Why can't I edit my post after a given amount of time? It would be nice to be able to grab the formatted stuff from there and change it to suit my current needs...)

I am afraid we had to do so because some people abuse the editing system. Locking the post means you can't edit the post once caught on posting nonsense.
 
@Borek Yes, the 3/2H+ on the right exists, I just didn't put it on here, sorry.

Ah, I see. Thanks.
 
What about balancing charge? -3/2 on the left, -3 on the right.
 

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