Ball dropped from a moving train

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The discussion revolves around the motion of a ball dropped from a moving train and its observed trajectory from different reference frames, specifically comparing the perspectives of a person on the train and one standing on a platform. The scope includes conceptual understanding and relativity in motion.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Exploratory, Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants explain that from the platform's reference frame, the ball has an initial horizontal velocity equal to that of the train, leading to a parabolic trajectory due to the combination of horizontal motion and vertical acceleration from gravity.
  • Others note that the observer on the train perceives the ball as falling straight down because they share the same horizontal velocity as the ball.
  • A participant emphasizes that the parabolic path results from constant horizontal motion and the vertical motion described by a quadratic relationship with time.
  • One participant references Einstein's writings to highlight the differences in perception based on the observer's frame of reference, indicating a broader interest in relativity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the explanation of the ball's trajectory in different reference frames, but the discussion remains exploratory without a definitive consensus on all aspects of the motion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not address potential limitations in the assumptions about the observers' frames of reference or the effects of air resistance on the ball's motion.

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Can anybody please explain why the ball dropped from a moving train appears to take a parabolic path w.r.t the frame of reference of a person standing at the platform?

Thanks
 
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vijay_singh said:
Can anybody please explain why the ball dropped from a moving train appears to take a parabolic path w.r.t the frame of reference of a person standing at the platform?

Thanks

In the reference frame of the platform the ball has initial horizontal velocity equal to the velocity of the train. The vertical direction is the same observed on the train because both observers agree that gravity is acting on the ball causing an acceleration -g. But, in the platform's reference frame it already had x-velocity, and the resultant path is a parabola.
 
I am currently reading about this in Einstein's writings. When the person on the train drops the ball and looks down he just sees it fall straight down because it is moving at the same velocity he is.

However, a person standing on a platform (not in motion) sees the ball fall down and perpendicular to his view. (In two dimensional motion)
It is all about the reference point. Relativity is a very cool and interesting topic!
 
Nabeshin said:
In the reference frame of the platform the ball has initial horizontal velocity equal to the velocity of the train. The vertical direction is the same observed on the train because both observers agree that gravity is acting on the ball causing an acceleration -g. But, in the platform's reference frame it already had x-velocity, and the resultant path is a parabola.

Thanks Nabeshin, your explanation makes sense.

Vijay
 
Just to add a little bit: the reason it is a parabolic path is because the motion parallel to the direction of the train's motion is constant (equal to the speed of the train); meanwhile the position in the perpendicular direction (straight down) goes as t^2. It's this time squared that gives it a quadratic (parabola) shape.
 

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