Barium Borate- beta BBO crystals (what am I looking at?)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the structure and properties of beta barium borate (BBO) crystals, specifically focusing on the chemical composition and the arrangement of elements within the crystal structure. Participants express curiosity about the nature of these crystals and their formation, drawing from their backgrounds in chemistry.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes a discrepancy between the chemical formula BaB2O4 and the visual representation of the crystal, highlighting the colors associated with each element.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the stoichiometric formula indicates relative amounts of elements but does not provide information about the crystal structure, questioning if there is doubt about the proportions of elements.
  • A participant shares their background in organic chemistry and expresses curiosity about how barium interacts with boron and oxygen to form a ring structure, questioning the role of barium as a spectator cation in solid-state formation and the arrangement of these units in triplets.
  • Another participant challenges the assumption that rings of BO3 units do not occur in solution, suggesting a potential overlap in behavior between solid and aqueous states.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as there are competing views regarding the structural characteristics of BBO crystals and the behavior of BO3 units in different environments.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the chemical behavior of barium, boron, and oxygen, as well as the structural implications of their interactions, which remain unresolved.

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Individuals interested in crystal chemistry, materials science, or those studying the properties of barium borate and its applications in various fields may find this discussion relevant.

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The chemical formula, BaB2O4, doesn't correspond with the image I see. Barium is green, boron is pink and oxygen is red.

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No clue about crystals but willing to learn the basics.
 
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The stochiometric formula doens't tell you more than the relative amount of substance of Ba, B and O, but nothing about the structure. Do you doubt the relative proportions of the elements in this compound?
 
No doubt here. My prior experience had me looking at reactions and chemicals in aqueous environments. This one was not like the others and I thought I would ask about it. Organic chemistry ii was finished last fall by myself so barium is new to me.

How does barium influence boron and oxygen to form into a ring structure while being a spectator cation during a solid state? Why do they form on top of each other in triplets?
 
Are you sure that rings of BO3 units don't occur also in solution?
 

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