Basic doubt on chain rule in DAlemberts soln to wave equation

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The discussion revolves around the application of the chain rule in the context of d'Alembert's solution to the wave equation. Participants explore the relationships between variables defined in terms of new coordinates and how to differentiate them, particularly focusing on the implications of partial derivatives and the conditions under which they are evaluated.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant defines new variables ##\xi## and ##\eta## in relation to the wave equation and seeks clarification on how to apply the chain rule for derivatives involving these variables.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of understanding which variables are held fixed during partial differentiation and provides a detailed derivation of the wave equation using the new variables.
  • A later post introduces a specific condition involving ##V(x)## and discusses the differentiation of the solution with respect to time, raising questions about the relationship between derivatives with respect to ##\eta## and ##x##.
  • Further confusion is expressed regarding the implications of setting time to zero and how it affects the differentiation process, particularly in relation to the variables ##\xi## and ##\eta##.
  • One participant suggests reverting to the original variables ##t## and ##x## for clarity, noting that boundary and initial conditions are defined in these terms.

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Participants express differing views on the handling of variables and the application of the chain rule, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved regarding the differentiation process and the implications of the initial conditions.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the definitions of variables and the assumptions made during differentiation, particularly concerning the fixed variables in partial derivatives and the conditions applied at specific times.

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Basic doubt on applying chain rule in DAlemberts soln to wave equation
In D Alembert's soln to wave equation two new variables are defined
##\xi## = x - vt
##\eta## = x + vt
x is therefore a function of ##\xi## , ##\eta## , v and t.

For fixed phase speed, v and given instant of time, x is a function of ##\xi## and ##\eta##.
Therefore partial derivative of x w.r.t y is (using the chain rule)
##\frac {\partial x} {\partial y} = \frac {\partial x} {\partial \xi} \frac {\partial \xi} {\partial y} + \frac {\partial x} {\partial \eta} \frac {\partial \eta} {\partial y} ##

But how to find ##\frac {\partial y} {\partial x}## ?
Here x (the independent variable) is function of ##\xi## and ##\eta##

(The chain rule says that if f(r,s) - dependent variable - then
##
\frac {\partial f} {\partial t} = \frac {\partial f} {\partial r}\frac {\partial r} {\partial t} + \frac {\partial f} {\partial s}\frac {\partial s} {\partial t} ##

TIA
 
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You have to keep in mind, which variables are held fixed when you do a partial derivative. I've no clue what ##y## may be, because you didn't define it. Usually d'Alembert's transformation is used to solve the (1+1)-dimensional wave equation anyway.

So in the independent coordinates ##(t,x)## the equation you want to solve reads
$$\Box u(t,x)=\frac{1}{v^2} \partial_t^2 u(t,x) - \partial_x^2 u(t,x)=0.$$
Now you introduce new indpendent variables ##\xi=\xi(t,x)## and ##\eta(t,x)## and write
$$u(t,x)=\tilde{u}(\xi,eta)=\tilde{u}[\xi(t,x),\eta(t,x)].$$
Then
$$\partial_t u(t,x)=(\partial_t \xi) \partial_{\xi} \tilde{u} + (\partial_t \eta) \partial_{\eta} \partial_{\eta} \tilde{u} = v (\partial_{\eta} \tilde{u} - \partial_{\xi} \tilde{u}).$$
Using the this rule once more
$$\partial_t^2 u(t,x) = v^2 (\partial_{\eta}^2 \tilde{u}-\partial_{\eta} \partial_{\xi} \tilde{u} - \partial_{\xi} \partial_{\eta} \tilde{u} + \partial_{\xi}^2 \tilde{u}) = v^2 (\partial_{\eta}^2 \tilde{u} -2 \partial_{\xi} \partial_{\eta} \tilde{u} + \partial_{\xi}^2 \tilde{u}).$$
Further
$$\partial_x u(t,x)=(\partial_{x} \xi) \partial_{\xi} \tilde{u} + (\partial_{y} \eta) \partial_{\eta} \tilde{u} = \partial_{\xi} \tilde{u} + \partial_{\eta} \tilde{u}$$
and
$$\partial_x^2 u(t,x)=\partial_{\xi}^2 \tilde{u} + 2 \partial_{\xi} \partial_{\eta} \tilde{u} + \partial_{\eta}^2 \tilde{u}.$$
Then you get
$$\Box u(t,x)=-4 \partial_{\xi} \partial_{\eta} \tilde{u} = 0.$$
Now the solution is very simple: Integration of the equation by ##\xi##:
$$\partial_{\eta} \tilde{u}(\xi,\eta)=g'(\eta),$$
where I wrote the "integration constant", which here is an arbitrary function of ##\eta##, as a derivative for obious reasons of convenience since now integrating wrt. ##\eta## we get
$$\tilde{u}(\xi,\eta)=f(\xi)+g(\eta),$$
where ##f## and ##g## are arbitrary functions to be determined by the inital and boundary conditions.

Expressed in terms of the old coordinates you simply find
$$u(t,x)=\tilde{u}[\xi(t,x),\eta(t,x)] = f(x-v t) + g(x+v t).$$
 
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Thank you
 
Continuing the solution :
Suppose it is given that
## V(x) = \frac {\partial y} {\partial t}_{t=0}##

Then differentiating ##y(x,t) = f(\eta) + g(\xi)## = f(x+vt) + g(x-vt) w.r.t time 't'
##\frac {\partial y(x,t)} {\partial x}_{t=0} = \frac {\partial f} {\partial \eta} \frac {\partial \eta} {\partial t}_{t=0} + \frac {\partial g} {\partial \xi} \frac {\partial \xi} {\partial t}_{t=0}##

But ##\frac {\partial \eta} {\partial t} = v## and ##\frac {\partial \xi} {\partial t} = -v##.

The next step is confusing.
Setting time to zero
##\frac {\partial f} {\partial \eta}## = ##\frac {\partial f} {\partial x}## and ##\frac {\partial g} {\partial \xi}## = ##\frac {\partial g} {\partial x}##

What I can't understand is ##\frac {\partial f} {\partial \eta}## is differentiation of f w.r.t the variable ##\eta## where ##\eta## = x + vt
t=0 condition will be applied after differentiation which is already completed w.r.t ##\eta##. Then how can we conclude ##\frac {\partial f} {\partial \eta}## = ##\frac {\partial f} {\partial x}## (which us done by putting t= 0 in ##\eta## = x + vt = x)
Similarly for the ##\xi## variable

TIA
 
Why are you still working with ##\eta## and ##\xi## (note you exchanged ##f## and ##g## in comparison to my notation and set ##u=y##; henceforth I use your notation)? Now it's easier to go on with ##t## and ##x## as independent variables again (because the boundary/initial conditions) are defined interms of ##t## and ##x## anyway. Just use the chain rule to get
$$\partial_t y(t,x)=v f'(x+v t)-v g'(x-v t).$$
 

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