Basic Limit Involving x-xcosx and sin^2(3x)

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit as x approaches 0 for the expression \(\frac{x - x \cos x}{\sin^2(3x)}\). Participants are exploring the mathematical reasoning behind their attempts and questioning the validity of their approaches.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants present various attempts to simplify the limit expression, including rewriting terms and applying trigonometric identities. There are discussions about the legitimacy of certain algebraic manipulations and the handling of indeterminate forms.

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Some participants express uncertainty about their methods and seek verification of their reasoning. Others provide feedback on specific errors identified in the attempts, indicating a collaborative effort to clarify misunderstandings and refine approaches.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the application of trigonometric limits and the handling of expressions that lead to indeterminate forms. Participants are also reflecting on the implications of their algebraic transformations.

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My answer is correct, but I feel like I might've taken an illegitimate route to get there. Can anyone verify? Many thanks in advance.

Homework Statement


\underset{x\rightarrow0}{\lim}\frac{x-xcosx}{sin^{2}3x}

Homework Equations


\sin ^{2}x = \frac{1-\cos 2x}{2}
\frac{x}{\frac{y}{z}}=x\cdot \frac{z}{y}

The Attempt at a Solution


\underset{x\rightarrow0}{\lim}\frac{x-xcosx}{sin^{2}3x}
=\underset{x\rightarrow0}{\lim}\frac{(x-x)cosx}{(\cfrac{1-cos(6x)}{2})}
=\underset{x\rightarrow0}{\lim}\frac{(x-x)cosx}{1}\cdot\frac{2}{1-cos(6x)}
=\underset{x\rightarrow0}{\lim}2((x-x)cosx)\cdot(1-cos(6x))
=2((0)cos0)\cdot(1-cos0)
=2(0\cdot1)\cdot(1-1)
=0
 
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skam74 said:
My answer is correct, but I feel like I might've taken an illegitimate route to get there. Can anyone verify? Many thanks in advance.

Homework Statement


\underset{x\rightarrow0}{\lim}\frac{x-xcosx}{sin^{2}3x}

Homework Equations


\sin ^{2}x = \frac{1-\cos 2x}{2}
\frac{x}{\frac{y}{z}}=x\cdot \frac{z}{y}



The Attempt at a Solution


\underset{x\rightarrow0}{\lim}\frac{x-xcosx}{sin^{2}3x}
=\underset{x\rightarrow0}{\lim}\frac{(x-x)cosx}{(\cfrac{1-cos(6x)}{2})}
=\underset{x\rightarrow0}{\lim}\frac{(x-x)cosx}{1}\cdot\frac{2}{1-cos(6x)}
=\underset{x\rightarrow0}{\lim}2((x-x)cosx)\cdot(1-cos(6x))
=2((0)cos0)\cdot(1-cos0)
=2(0\cdot1)\cdot(1-1)
=0

The second line of (3) is wrong: you cannot write x - x*cos(x) as (x-x)*cos(x). However, you can write it as x*2*sin(x/2)^2, so your function is 2*x*[sin(x/2)/sin(3x)]^2.

RGV
 
Never mind I see it now:

sin^2(3x) = sin^2(2x + x) = [cos(2x)sin(x) + sin(2x)cos(x)]^2

which ends up giving 0/4 = 0
 
Just for fun I solved it using your idea as well:

\lim_{x\rightarrow 0}\frac{x-xcosx}{sin^{2}3x}
=\lim_{x\rightarrow 0}\frac{x(1-cosx)}{sin^23x}
=\lim_{x\rightarrow 0}\frac{x(2sin^2(\frac{x}{2}))}{sin^23x}
=\lim_{x\rightarrow 0}\frac{xsinx}{\frac{2}{sin^23x}}
=\lim_{x\rightarrow 0}\frac{xsinx}{2}\cdot \frac{1}{sin^23x}
=\lim_{x\rightarrow 0}\frac{xsinx\cdot csc3x}{2}
=\frac{0}{2}
=0
 
Your last attempt has numerous errors in it, and I don't see how what you wrote in post #3 helps in evaluating the limit.
 
vela said:
Your last attempt has numerous errors in it, and I don't see how what you wrote in post #3 helps in evaluating the limit.

Oops. Can you point me towards my errors in my last attempt?
 
Going from the third to fourth lines, fifth to sixth lines. Finally, when evaluating the limit at the end, you seemed to pull a 0 out of nowhere. Cosecant diverges as x goes to 0, so you have an indeterminate form.
 

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