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The discussion revolves around proving the equivalence of two mathematical expressions involving logarithms and exponential growth, specifically the relationship between \( y = a(1+b)^t \) and \( \ln y = a + bt \). The original poster expresses confusion about the validity of this equivalence.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to manipulate the equations but expresses confusion about the equivalence. Some participants question the correctness of the original problem statement and the steps taken in the attempts. Others suggest revisiting the problem to clarify the misunderstanding.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the validity of the original expressions and the steps taken by the original poster. Some guidance has been provided regarding the logarithmic manipulation, but there is no consensus on the correctness of the initial assumptions.

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There is a noted mistake in the original problem statement, which has led to confusion in the attempts to prove the equivalence. The participants are also discussing the implications of taking logarithms of both sides of the equations.

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Basic log question, completely lost! :(

Homework Statement


Prove that y = a(1+b)^t is equivalent to ln y = a+bt


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i'm really confused with how they could possibly be equal.

y = a(1+b)^t
t = ln y/ln a(1+b)
ln y = t x ln (a+b)
ln y = ln (a+b)^t

Could someone please help.
 
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Of course they are not equivalent for all values of t. Are you sure you have the question right?

And, BTW, steps 3 and 4 of your attempt doesn't seem right, although it doesn't matter now.
 
ohh sorry, i made a mistake.

This is the original question:

prove that yt = y0(1+r)^t is equivalent to ln yt = y0 + rt

i just made y0 = a and r = b previously

My Attempt:
yt = y0(1+r)^t
t = ln yt/ln y0(1+r)

you said i was wrong previous, where do i go from this step then?? Tanx a heap 4 helping.
 
Chadlee88 said:
ohh sorry, i made a mistake.

This is the original question:

prove that yt = y0(1+r)^t is equivalent to ln yt = y0 + rt

i just made y0 = a and r = b previously

My Attempt:
yt = y0(1+r)^t
t = ln yt/ln y0(1+r)

you said i was wrong previous, where do i go from this step then?? Tanx a heap 4 helping.

First thing you should do is go back and look at the problem again! What you have stated still is not true. From yt= yo(1+r)^t the best you can say, by taking ln of both sides, is ln(yt)= ln(y0)+ t ln(1+r). In general that is NOT the same as "ln yt= y0+ rt".

(You can say that "to first order" (ignoring higher powers of t) yt (NOT ln(yt)) is approximately equal to y0+ rt.)
 
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