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The problem involves a mudslide on a mountainside, where dimensions of the slide and the density of the mud are provided. The original poster seeks to determine the mass of mud above a specific area of the valley floor after the slide.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster questions how to start the problem and whether the slope can be treated as vertical for volume calculations.
  • Some participants clarify that the dimensions of the mountainside are necessary for understanding the problem.
  • There is discussion about the implications of the mud's depth and how it affects mass calculations.
  • Participants suggest drawing diagrams to visualize the problem better.
  • Questions arise regarding the location of the specified area of the valley floor and how it relates to the slope.
  • One participant proposes calculating the total volume of the mudslide and then determining the mass for the specified area.

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Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the problem, particularly regarding the curvature of the slope and the implications of the mud's distribution over the valley floor. There is also mention of the need for clarity on the dimensions and how they relate to the mass calculation.

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Homework Statement


During heavy rain, a section of a mountainside measuring 3.6 km horizontally, 0.53 km up along the slope, and 1.1 m deep slips into a valley in a mud slide. Assume that the mud ends up uniformly distributed over a surface area of the valley measuring 1.2 km x 1.2 km and that the mass of a cubic meter of mud is 1900 kg. What is the mass of the mud sitting above a 2.2 m2 area of the valley floor?

Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution



To be honest, I can't necessarily figure out where to start. Looking at the question, I have a length, width and height... can I assume that the slope is a perfect vertical(lol) and use that as a length to find volume? This question seems really basic to me, the answer is looking for the mass of the mud sitting above a specific height, however, it states that a cubic meter of mud is 1900 kg.

Can I simply just multiply 1900 kg/m^2 by 2.2 m^2 to obtain 4180 kg ? I can't figure out why the other supplied information would be of any help at all. If I think about this logically, if there is mud stacked on top itself at a higher height, would that not change the mass ? This is where I thought maybe the dimensions of the mountain side were necessary.

Can anyone shed some light on this problem?

Thanks
 
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can I assume that the slope is a perfect vertical(lol) and use that as a length to find volume?

No you can't, this is where you're going to use the dimensions of the mountainside. Also take note that
1.1 m deep slips into a valley in a mud slide.

Can I simply just multiply 1900 kg/m^2 by 2.2 m^2 to obtain 4180 kg?

I believe you simply can't do that, you are given with a volumetric density 1900 kg/m3.

if there is mud stacked on top itself at a higher height, would that not change the mass?

Obviously the mass would. Aside from the fact you are adding mud, the mountainside is also sloping so the mass from a lower layer is lesser than that of the above.

I suggest you draw a diagram so you can easily see the whole problem.

Honestly the question of this problem is quite tricky. It says
What is the mass of the mud sitting above a 2.2 m2 area of the valley floor?
Where exactly is 2.2 m2 area of the valley floor, is it near the slope?
 
can I assume that the slope is a perfect vertical(lol) and use that as a length to find volume?

No you can't, this is where you're going to use the dimensions of the mountainside. Also take note that
1.1 m deep slips into a valley in a mud slide.

Can I simply just multiply 1900 kg/m^2 by 2.2 m^2 to obtain 4180 kg?

I believe you simply can't do that, you are given with a volumetric density 1900 kg/m3.

if there is mud stacked on top itself at a higher height, would that not change the mass?

Obviously the mass would. Aside from the fact you are adding mud, the mountainside is also sloping so the mass from a lower layer is lesser than that of the above.

I suggest you draw a diagram so you can easily see the whole problem.

Honestly the question of this problem is quite tricky. It says
What is the mass of the mud sitting above a 2.2 m2 area of the valley floor?
Where exactly is 2.2 m2 area of the valley floor, is it near the slope? I guess it is...
 
I believe that the 2.2 m^2 is after the mudslide and off the slope, so it becomes level area in the valley.

How can the dimensions of the mountain be used? If the slope does contain a curvature, how can the 0.53 km even be accounted for?

The mud is uniformly distributed over a 1.44 km^2 (or 1440 m^2) area. Would that mean I need to determine the volume of mud in a 2.2 m^2 area and multiply that by 1900 kg? If so, can I assume no curvature in the dimensions and do the following?

V = (3.6 km)(0.53 km)(0.0011 km)
= 2.10 x 10^-3 km^3
= 2100000 m^3

Take that volume and use it as the total volume of the mudslide, determine how much of that volume is enclosed in a 2.2 m^2 area, and multiply it by 1900 kg?
 

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