Basic question, harmonic coordinate condition algebra

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The discussion revolves around the algebraic manipulation of equations related to the covariant D'Alembertian in the context of general relativity, specifically focusing on the harmonic coordinate condition. Participants are examining the implications of certain derivatives and the treatment of functions within the equations presented in Sean Carroll's lecture notes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the double derivative of the first term vanishes while a single derivative of the second term does not, indicating a lack of clarity on the algebraic steps involved.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the meaning of ##\partial_\nu x^\mu##, suggesting confusion over the notation and its implications.
  • There is a correction regarding an apparent typo in the equations, where a free index ##\lambda## is noted to be incorrectly placed, with a suggestion that it should be ##\mu## instead.
  • Participants discuss the implications of the derivative ##\partial x^\mu/\partial x^\nu##, with one asserting that it equals ##\delta^\mu_\nu##, which leads to further inquiry about how this relates to equation (4.85).
  • There is an acknowledgment of the connection between the derivatives and the harmonic coordinate condition, with one participant expressing realization after further discussion.

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Participants express differing levels of understanding regarding the algebraic manipulations and the implications of the derivatives involved. There is no clear consensus on the resolution of the initial questions posed, as some participants are still seeking clarification.

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Some assumptions about the functions and their dependencies are mentioned, but these remain unresolved. The discussion also highlights potential ambiguities in notation and the treatment of indices in the equations.

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where ##□=\nabla^{\mu}\nabla_{\mu}## is the covariant D'Alembertian.

##□x^{\mu}=0##

##g^{\rho\sigma}\partial_{\rho}\partial_{\sigma}x^{\mu}-g^{\rho\sigma}T^{\lambda}_{\rho\sigma}\partial_{\lambda}x^{\mu}=0##

So this line is fine by subbing in the covariant derivative definition and lowering index using the metric.

The notes say that it is crucial to realize that when we take the covariant derivative that the four functions ##x^{\mu}## are just functions, not component of a vector. And I guess this is what he is using when he gets:

##g^{\rho\sigma}\partial_{\rho}\partial_{\sigma}x^{\mu}-g^{\rho\sigma}T^{\lambda}_{\rho\sigma}\partial_{\lambda}x^{\mu}=-g^{\rho\sigma}T^{\lambda}_{\rho\sigma}## ,
where ##T^{\lambda}_{\rho\sigma}## is the connection.

Excuse my stupid questions to follow, but I have no idea what is going on here:
- why has the double derivative of the first term vanished whilst a single derivative of the second does not?
- how has , I think he must have used that## \partial_{\lambda}x^{\mu}=1##, where has this came from?

All I can think of is some conditions imposed on the functions such as each four function is made to depend only upon one of ##x^\mu## and normalization.

Thanks in advance.

(Sean Carroll Lecture notes on GR, equation 4.85)
 
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binbagsss said:
why has the double derivative of the first term vanished whilst a single derivative of the second does not?
What is ##\partial_\nu x^\mu##?

Your equation is also wrong, the right side has ##\lambda## as a free index while the left does not.
 
Orodruin said:
What is ##\partial_\nu x^\mu##?

Your equation is also wrong, the right side has ##\lambda## as a free index while the left does not.

Equation 4.85, http://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/9712019.pdf, that's what I thought.

##\partial_\nu=\frac{\partial}{\partial x^{\nu}}##
 
binbagsss said:
Equation 4.85, http://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/9712019.pdf, that's what I thought.

##\partial_\nu=\frac{\partial}{\partial x^{\nu}}##
Obvious typo, also the fix is obvious (the ##\lambda## in the last expression should be a ##\mu##).

So what is ##\partial x^\mu/\partial x^\nu##?
 
Orodruin said:
Obvious typo, also the fix is obvious (the ##\lambda## in the last expression should be a ##\mu##).

So what is ##\partial x^\mu/\partial x^\nu##?

I thought he may have renamed ##\lambda## and ##\mu##. The fix wasn't so obvious for me, but ta...

##\partial x^\mu/\partial x^\nu=\delta^\mu_\nu##?
 
binbagsss said:
##\partial x^\mu/\partial x^\nu=\delta^\mu_\nu##?

Right, so is it clear how equation (4.85) follows?
 
Orodruin said:
Right, so is it clear how equation (4.85) follows?

ahhh ofc, thanks.
 

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