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The discussion revolves around a calibration question involving three weight scales and a 10kg weight. Participants explore the criteria for determining which scale is more accurate based on repeated measurements, the appropriateness of using standard deviation versus average for accuracy assessment, and the formulation of a calibration method for the scales.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that standard deviation is not a better measure of accuracy compared to the average, suggesting that a scale with a smaller standard deviation could still be inaccurate if its average is far from the true value.
  • Others propose that using the average of measurements and assessing how far it is from the true weight of 10kg might be a better approach for determining accuracy.
  • A participant suggests modifying the standard deviation calculation by using 10kg as the mean instead of the calculated average of the measurements.
  • There is a discussion about the calibration formula, with some participants indicating that it involves steps to adjust the scales based on the measurements taken.
  • One participant provides a mathematical example to illustrate the calculation of standard deviation using a fixed mean of 10kg, arguing that this approach could yield a more accurate representation of the scales' performance.
  • Another participant explains that using n-1 in the standard deviation formula provides an unbiased estimate of the population value, discussing the concept of degrees of freedom in statistical calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of standard deviation versus average for measuring accuracy, indicating that there is no consensus on the best method to evaluate the scales. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the calibration formula and the best approach to assess accuracy.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of considering both the average and the standard deviation in the context of calibration, but the discussion does not resolve the implications of using one measure over the other. There are also unresolved assumptions about the nature of the measurements and their relationship to the true weight.

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Hi guys,

My friend was asked the following question in an interview:

There are 3 weight scales and a 10kg weight.
You weigh the 10kg on each scale 5 times (total of 15 measurements for the 3 scales), each measurement is a bit off the 10kg mark (lets say the first scale shows: 11kg, 9.4kg, 12.1kg, 10.6kg. 10.2kg).

You are suppose to choose the criteria of which scales is more accurate.
Why is it better to use standard deviation instead of the medium or average?
How do you create a calibration formula for the scale?


Thanks!
 
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The question is wrong. It is not better to use the standard deviation. This was a trick question, I think.

I won't say more but think about why the standard deviation might be bad to use.
 
I wish you would say more though :)
Standard deviation measures the variation from the average. If the standard deviation for one of the scales is smaller the of the others then the measurements are closer to the average... yet, the average could be something like 20kg which is very far away from the true 10kg. Is that why you ment its not a good indication for accuracy?
So is using the average of measurements for each scale and measuring how far the average is from the 10kg the bets way to measure the accuracy and choose the "best scale"?
How about using the standard deviation formula with the mean value as 10kg instead of the true average of that scale?

Plus, any clarifications about a calibration formula would be great.

thanks
 
Yes, my point was that scale A could be less accurate even though it has a smaller standard deviation, if it has a crazy average. Without paying attention to the average, you couldn't calibrate the scale. For me it is more important.

I think by calibration formula they mean a list of steps to follow to calibrate one of the scales as much as possible. I don't you need many hints here, think of Hooke's law and how you would calibrate a scale at home.
 
verty said:
Yes, my point was that scale A could be less accurate even though it has a smaller standard deviation, if it has a crazy average. Without paying attention to the average, you couldn't calibrate the scale. For me it is more important.

I think by calibration formula they mean a list of steps to follow to calibrate one of the scales as much as possible. I don't you need many hints here, think of Hooke's law and how you would calibrate a scale at home.

Consider the following set of data:

$$\begin{matrix}500 & 0 & 4922 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 4003 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 3 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \end{matrix}$$

What's its average? What's its standard deviation? :-p

This is something of a ridiculous example, but it shows that in the context of the problem, standard deviation IS the best indicator.

The problem says that each one is "a bit off" the actual value of 10, so the average will be about 10.

Thus, we use our formula for a sample standard deviation, replacing ##\bar{x}=10##, to obtain ##\displaystyle s=\sqrt{\frac{1}{n-1}\sum_{i=1}^{n}\left[(x_i-10)^2\right]}##. The scale with the smallest value of ##s## is the most accurate.
 
Ok, great demonstration !
Follow up questions: Why 1/(n-1) and not 1/n?
How would you calibrate the following results: 11kg, 9.4kg, 12.1kg, 10.6kg. 10.2kg?
 
With regards to n-1 its because n-1 provides an unbiased estimate of the population value.

In statistics we use random variables to estimate population parameters (like mu or sigma). An unbiased estimator means that E[theta_hat] = theta where theta is the true population value and theta_hat is an estimator that represents the estimator distribution of theta.
 
dislect said:
Ok, great demonstration !
Follow up questions: Why 1/(n-1) and not 1/n?
How would you calibrate the following results: 11kg, 9.4kg, 12.1kg, 10.6kg. 10.2kg?
There are ##n-1## degrees of freedom.

For the data you gave, I would calculate ##s=\sqrt{\frac{(11-10)^2+(9.4-10)^2+(12.1-10)^2+(10.6-10)^2+(10.2-10)^2}{5-1}}=\sqrt{\frac{1+.36+4.41+.36+.04}{4}}=\frac{1}{2}\sqrt{6.17}\approx 1.241975 \text{ kg}##.

Note that the calculation assumes the "average" is 10, so it is not a standard form of standard deviation as much as a measure of the deviation from the "wanted" mean. The average of the data is not 10, but it should be fairly close.
 

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