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The discussion revolves around understanding the specifications of a battery, specifically focusing on its capacity (2600 mAh), voltage (12 V), and discharge rate (5C). Participants explore the implications of these values in practical applications, including how they relate to current draw and energy density.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant explains that 2600 mAh indicates the battery's capacity, allowing for a current draw of 2600 mA for one hour, or 1300 mA for two hours.
  • Another participant suggests that 5C likely represents the maximum discharge current, but notes that it could also refer to the recommended charging current, indicating uncertainty about its exact meaning.
  • There is confusion among participants regarding the relationship between the 2600 mAh capacity and the 5C rating, with some questioning if the higher current draw (13000 mA) makes the original capacity value redundant.
  • One participant clarifies that the original 2600 mAh is the actual capacity, while the "C" indicates the maximum current that can be drawn, which is limited by the capacity.
  • Participants discuss the implications of voltage, noting that while devices typically require matching voltage, they may tolerate lower voltages without damage, though some loads may behave differently under varying voltage conditions.
  • There is a discussion about energy density, with one participant explaining that watt-hours per kilogram (Wh/kg) and milliamp-hours (mAh) describe different aspects of battery performance and energy storage.

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Participants express varying interpretations of the battery specifications, particularly regarding the meaning of the 5C rating and its relation to the 2600 mAh capacity. There is no consensus on these points, and confusion remains about the implications of voltage changes during discharge.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the definitions and implications of battery specifications may depend on specific contexts or applications, and there are unresolved questions about how different loads interact with battery voltage and current.

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A battery is rated as follows:

2600 mah
12 V
5C

My question is what does each of these values mean?

2600 mah is the "capacity" of the battery. To my understanding this means you can draw 2600 ma current from this battery for exactly one hour; after one hour the battery is dead. Or you can draw 1300 ma for two hours...etc. Whatever your design desires.

12 V is the voltage of the battery. My understanding is if you want to connect this battery to a motor or something similar, the voltage needs to be the same or the battery/motor would be damaged? But I've also read that as the battery is drained its voltage changes, so how does this not damage the device its connected to?

5C is the "capacity" multiplied by 5. This means this battery can produce 5*2600 = 13000 mah. This means the battery has a max capacity of 13000 ma for one hour. Then doesn't this make the first 2600 mah value meaningless and redundant? This is the one that is confusing me greatly.

Also suppose I know this battery has energy density of 173 wh/kg. Also assume the battery weighs 10 kg. Then it has 1730 wh. 1730 watts for one hour. How is this related to 2600 mah value? They must have some relation because both are basically describing power for one hour.

Thank you very much for answering my questions.
 
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The C is a standard abbreviation*, here it's 2600mA. It's likely that 5C is the maximum discharge current, though it's possibly the recommended charging current. I'd need further information before being able to conclude which.

* actually 'capacity'
 
discharge. this isn't an actual battery, just roughly of the things I'm seeing. I need to know what they mean. Its discharge.
 
Then 5C would be the maximum safe current drawn.
 
so I could draw 13000 ma for one hour? But it said originally 2600 ma for one hour. I'm confused about this. thx
 
xzibition8612 said:
for one hour?
For "0.2 hr.," probably not more than a tenth. That's maximum safe current until the battery runs out of stored energy.
 
i see. So the original 2600 mah is the actual capacity, and the "C" is the maximum amount of charge you can get from the battery, provided it still is limited by that original 2600 mah limit.
 
Actually, C is the 2600mAH capacity. But C is thought of as 2600mA when discussing charging or discharging current. In this case, the maximum safe current is specified as 5 x 2600mA, i.e., about 13A
 
xzibition8612 said:
12 V is the voltage of the battery. My understanding is if you want to connect this battery to a motor or something similar, the voltage needs to be the same or the battery/motor would be damaged? But I've also read that as the battery is drained its voltage changes, so how does this not damage the device its connected to?

The simple answer is... When a battery is discharged the voltage falls. Motors, light bulbs etc are usually damaged by over/excess voltage but not under voltage. So they just slow down or get dimmer.

It's not always that simple... Some types of load (for example some pressure washers) draw constant power from their supply. Power = voltage * current so if the voltage falls the current might increase to keep the power constant. If you use one of these on a long extension lead there can be voltage loss in the extension lead due to it's resistance. That can cause the pressure washer to draw more current and that increased current can damage the pressure washer. If you don't understand this perhaps stick with the simple answer for now.

Also suppose I know this battery has energy density of 173 wh/kg. Also assume the battery weighs 10 kg. Then it has 1730 wh. 1730 watts for one hour. How is this related to 2600 mah value? They must have some relation because both are basically describing power for one hour.

No they aren't quite describing power for one hour...

1) The "wh" in 173 wh/kg stands for Watt Hours per Kg. That's equivalent to Power * Time/Mass
Now
Power * Time = Energy
so
WH/Kg is actually Energy per unit mass or "Energy density"

2) The "mah" in 2600 mah stands for milli Amp Hour. That is Current * Time

Remember that Power = Current * Voltage so to convert AH to WH/kg you need to multiply the mAH by the voltage and then divide by the weight. For example let's say you had a 2600 mAH 12V battery that weighs 0.5Kg.

The energy in the battery is 2.6AH * 12V = 31WH (or 31 * 60 * 60 = 111600 Joules)
The energy density is 31/0.5 = 62 WH/kg
 
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