Bead on wire tilted at angle theta.

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The discussion revolves around a bead of mass m sliding along a rigid wire that is tilted at a fixed angle θ and rotating with a constant angular velocity ω. Participants are tasked with writing the Lagrangian in terms of the vertical coordinate z, finding the equation of motion, and determining the existence and stability of equilibrium positions.

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  • Participants explore the formulation of the Lagrangian, considering kinetic and potential energy terms. There are discussions on the correct expressions for kinetic energy related to the bead's motion along the wire and its rotation about the vertical axis. Some participants question the correctness of the derived equations of motion and the terms involved.

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Several participants have provided feedback on the attempts made to derive the Lagrangian and the equations of motion. There is an ongoing examination of equilibrium positions, with one participant suggesting a specific equilibrium value for z and discussing its stability, while another participant offers a counterpoint regarding the stability of that equilibrium.

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Participants are working under the constraints of fixed angular velocity and angle, which influence the dynamics of the bead's motion. There are also references to the need for careful consideration of the kinetic energy terms in relation to the geometry of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Consider a bead of mass m constrained to slide without friction along a rigid wire that rotates about the vertical at a fixed angle \theta with constant angular velocity \omega. Write down the Lagrangian in terms of z as the general coordinate. Find the equation of motion of the bead, and determine whether there are positions of equilibrium. If there are equilibrium positions, are they stable?

Homework Equations


z=rcos\theta

U=mgz

The Attempt at a Solution


\dot{r}=\frac{\dot{z}}{cos\theta}

T=\frac{1}{2}m(\dot{r}^{2}+r^{2}\dot{\theta}^{2})

L=\frac{2}{3}m(\frac{\dot{z}^{2}}{cos^{2}\theta}+(z\omega)^{2}/(cos^{2}\theta}))-mgz

m\ddot{z}=2z\omega^{2}-mgcos^{2}\theta

\ddot{z}=\frac{2z\omega^{2}}{m}-gcos^{2}\theta

Just wondering if my equation of motion is correct. Thanks for the help
 
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Note that \theta is a fixed angle. So, \dot{θ} = 0.

You will need a kinetic energy term that takes into account the azimuthal motion ("swinging around motion") around the axis of rotation at the angular speed ω. So, see if you can construct a kinetic energy term involving ω, z, and \theta. Of course, you will still have the kinetic energy term \frac{1}{2}m\dot{r}2.
 
Note that the distance of the particle from the axis of rotation is rsinθ = ztanθ.
 
TSny,

Using your advice I get:
L=\frac{1}{2}m(\frac{\dot{z}^{2}}{cos^{2}\theta}+(z^{2}\omega^{2})/(cos^{2}\theta))-mgz

\ddot{z}=\frac{2z\omega^{2}}{m}-gcos^{2}\theta

Does this look ok?

Thanks.
 
The kinetic energy associated with the rotation about the z axis would be (1/2)m(ωd)2 where d is the radius of the circular motion about the z-axis. If the bead is a distance r out along the wire, then check that d = r sinθ. d can then be expressed in terms of z by using r = z/cosθ.

So, verify that the second term of the Lagrangian would have a tan2θ in place of the 1/cos2θ.

You should find that the mass m cancels out in the equation of motion for \ddot{z}. Also, you have a factor of 2 in the first term on the right hand side of the equation for \ddot{z} that should not be there.
 
Awesome that made it perfectly clear and I got the correct answer. Thanks so much for the help!
 
Also to find any equilibrium positions I looked at what would make \ddot{z}=0.
I got only 1 equilibrium position of z=\frac{g}{tan^{2}\theta\omega^{2}}.
I also concluded that this is stable since \omega and \theta are constant.
 
Your equilibrium value for z looks correct to me.

However, I believe it's an unstable equilibrium. One way to see this is to go back to your result for \ddot{z}.

\ddot{z} = sin2θ ω2 z - g cos2θ

Imagine placing the bead on the rod at the equilibrium position where \ddot{z} = 0. Then displace the bead a little bit farther out on the rod. This will make z greater than the equilibrium value of z and an inspection of the expression for \ddot{z} shows that \ddot{z} will become positive. So, if you let the bead go from this position, which way would it begin to move?

Similarly, analyze what would happen if you displaced the bead a small amount in the opposite direction from the equilibrium position.
 
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