Beam of particles in a cylindrical pipe

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The problem involves calculating the electric field generated by a beam of charged particles within a cylindrical pipe. The particles are uniformly distributed and have a specific charge density, with the goal of applying Gauss's Law to find the electric field as a function of the radial distance from the axis of the cylinder.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of Gauss's Law and the calculation of charge density within the Gaussian surface. There is debate over the correct expression for the enclosed charge and its implications for the electric field calculation.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the assumptions made regarding charge density and the calculations leading to the electric field expression. Some participants express confusion about the dimensional consistency of the results presented in the solutions.

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There is a focus on the definitions of charge density and the implications of the cylindrical geometry on the calculations. Participants are examining the relationship between the number of particles per unit volume and the total charge within the Gaussian surface.

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Homework Statement


Charged particles, each holding charge q are moving in a cylinderical beam centred on the x-axis with n particles per unit volume. All the particles have the same horizontal velocity v.

A) By considering a suitable Gaussian surface, calculate the E-field as a function of r, the radial distance from the x-axis, and hence the force on the charges particle due to the electric field.

2. Homework Equations

Gauss Law,

The Attempt at a Solution



Let a be the radius of the pipe. Choose a Gaussian cylinder to be of radius r < a. Then the E field (from the enclosed charge) and the dA elements are parallel, so by Gauss,## E∫dA = Q_{enc}/ε = E(2 \pi r h),## h the height of the pipe and Gaussian cylinder.

I then said that the volume charge density is ##Q/\pi a^2 h##. So in the Gaussian cylinder, the charge enclosed is ##(\pi r^2 h) \cdot Q/\pi a^2 h = \left(\frac{r}{a}\right)^2 nq## which then gives me the E field and hence the force. My problem is, when I checked the solutions, they say the charge enclosed is ##Q = nq \pi r^2 h## and then they get an E field of ##nrq/2\epsilon##. To be honest, I think this is wrong. This expression for Q yields incorrect dimensions and then when they calculate the E field, they have ##Nm^3/C## which again is wrong. Both my expressions give the correct dimensions. Am I correct?

Many thanks.
 
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Hi CAF123! :smile:
CAF123 said:
…with n particles per unit volume.

I then said that the volume charge density is ##Q/\pi a^2 h##. So in the Gaussian cylinder, the charge enclosed is ##(\pi r^2 h) \cdot Q/\pi a^2 h = \left(\frac{r}{a}\right)^2 nq##…

I don't understand …

q is charge, n is 1/volume
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi CAF123! :smile:I don't understand …

q is charge, n is 1/volume

Yes, there are n particles per unit volume so charge of nq per unit volume. So (volume) charge density is ##nq/(\pi a^2 h)##. Then I multipled this by the volume of the Gaussian cylinder to get the charge within the Gaussian cylinder.
 
CAF123 said:
Yes, there are n particles per unit volume so charge of nq per unit volume. So (volume) charge density is ##nq/(\pi a^2 h)##.

No, there's a charge of nq per m3.

Volume of cylinder = πa2h m3, so total charge in cylinder = πa2hnq,
and charge inside radius r = πr2hnq
 

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