Beauty of old electrical and measuring things, etc.

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The discussion revolves around the appreciation and revival of old electrical devices and measuring instruments. Participants share their experiences with collecting, restoring, and displaying vintage gadgets, as well as the beauty they find in these items. The scope includes personal anecdotes, technical descriptions of devices, and reflections on craftsmanship and history.

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  • One participant expresses a lifelong fascination with old devices and describes various items in their collection, including vintage electrical components and measuring instruments.
  • Another participant comments on the beauty of the collection and the craftsmanship of the devices, suggesting that they serve as reminders of past engineering practices.
  • Some participants question the age of certain items, noting that they appear newer when compared to other vintage pieces.
  • There are mentions of specific devices, such as an HP 651A Test Oscillator, and discussions about their historical significance and functionality.
  • Participants share personal stories about where they found their vintage items, including interactions with local collectors and experiences from their youth.
  • Several participants express a desire to share their own collections and contribute to the discussion with photos of their old devices.
  • One participant raises the idea of a new genre called "electric punk," inspired by the aesthetic of vintage electrical devices.
  • Another participant shares details about temperature measuring devices, including thermocouples and glass thermometers, contributing to the technical aspect of the discussion.

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While participants generally appreciate the beauty and craftsmanship of old devices, there is no consensus on the exact age or significance of certain items. Multiple views are expressed regarding the categorization of devices as "old," and the discussion remains open-ended with various contributions and perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions reference specific technical details and historical contexts of devices, but there are unresolved questions about the exact age and classification of certain items. Participants also express uncertainty about the functionality of some devices.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to collectors of vintage electronics, enthusiasts of electrical engineering history, and individuals interested in the aesthetics of old measuring instruments.

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I have such a device. A galvanometer with an optical pointer. This is a very sensitive device. It reacts if a magnet is simply brought closer to the wire. This device has an amazing history. In 2000, when I was a student, my classmate worked as a watchman at a municipal landfill. One evening I came to his office and he showed me various things he had found in the landfill. This device was among them. My friend didn't find anything valuable in it and wanted to throw it away. I asked for the device for myself. Only the incandescent lamp was defective. This device allowed me to conduct many experiments and allowed me to learn a lot about the nature of electromagnetism. The research I am currently doing would not have been possible without this device
 
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Absolutely love this thread. There’s a timeless elegance in old electrical meters and devices—each piece tells a story of engineering with soul. At [Company reference redacted by the Mentors], we often come across vintage panels and enclosures during restoration or upgrades, especially in older industrial buildings around the Gulf.


Interestingly, we still find original Tapes used for insulation—some of them cloth-based or rubber types that stood the test of time. It's fascinating to compare those early materials with today’s modern PVC and high-performance Tapes that offer far better durability and resistance.


Restoring old equipment isn’t just about function—it’s preserving history. Hats off to everyone here keeping the legacy alive.
 
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  • #694
‘Hands weaving magnetic-core memory, IBM, Poughkeepsie, New York,’ 1956. Photograph by Ansel Adams.

This photograph was made on a commercial assignment for IBM.

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PS: my rough estimate, 3Kb

Also this from Wikipedia:
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DaveE said:
Thank god I never met one of these tube amps IRL, they look like a PITA to a guy raised on ICs.
The 12AX7 continues to be used in guitar amplifiers today. I don't know why they worry you, it is just a matched pair of N-channel FETs, in a hermetic glass envelope, with a 12V pilot lamp.
 
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  • #697
Baluncore said:
I don't know why they worry you
It might be that I think ±300V power supplies are a PITA. It might be the reliability of things that require heaters and vacuum seals. It might be that they are just really big and expensive for what they do. Maybe it's about supply chain and manufacturability issues. The market place has voted, and tubes like this lost a long, long time ago.

It might also be that you only see this sort of thing in the audiophile world. I'll spare you my diatribe about audiophile opinions about electronics, mostly based on my dislike of marketing types, except to say it's an outlier. YMMV.

But, I love the historical part of the technology and the data sheets made by hand!
 
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Perhaps the most risqué HP ad. Circa 1972. I recall this from a poster in the hallway of the Caltech EE building when I was an undergrad. Somehow it was moved to a hallway at Stanford, but I couldn't won't say how.
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PS: That's an HP5451A/5466A Fourier Analyzer, before the computers took over.
 
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  • #701
DaveE said:
‘Hands weaving magnetic-core memory, IBM, Poughkeepsie, New York,’ 1956. Photograph by Ansel Adams.

This photograph was made on a commercial assignment for IBM.

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PS: my rough estimate, 3Kb

Also this from Wikipedia:
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my piece of magnetic core memory :)

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DaveE said:
It might be that I think ±300V power supplies are a PITA. It might be the reliability of things that require heaters and vacuum seals. It might be that they are just really big and expensive for what they do. Maybe it's about supply chain and manufacturability issues. The market place has voted, and tubes like this lost a long, long time ago.

It might also be that you only see this sort of thing in the audiophile world. I'll spare you my diatribe about audiophile opinions about electronics, mostly based on my dislike of marketing types, except to say it's an outlier. YMMV.

But, I love the historical part of the technology and the data sheets made by hand!
But as mentioned above, tubes are desired not just by some audiophiles, but also for guitar amplifiers. Most electric guitarists use amplifier (and speaker) distortion as part of the sound. I'm not saying you can't replicate a tube amplifier with solid state, but there are a lot of inter-related aspects to that sound. Even things normally considered outside the signal chain, like replacing tube diodes with silicon diodes. I've been told the different impedance curve of the tube diode results in a different sag of the power supply, which then changes the clipping/distortion over time as a powerful note is held. And it may not be as simple as adding resistance to the silicon diode, as there is probably a non-linear curve.

These might not be obvious to many listeners, but the guitarist responds to what they hear, and play a little differently, so they can be aware of it in a way the listener really isn't.

Now there are software models of guitar amplifiers, I haven't looked into those in any depth as to how accurately they replicate the hardware, and of course, opinions will vary.
 
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  • #703
As a retired electrician I sure saw a lot of that stuff! Evidently, regrettably about all of it ended up in the trash. Back in the early 1960's my Dad took a correspondence course from the old National Radio Institute titled "Small Appliance Repair and Electric Wiring". Part of the course was he had to build, from a kit, a meter like the Simpson show in the very first post of this thread. Dad died in 2014 and still had and used it as a bench meter.

I have an old 120 volt electric meter I've long threatened to build a lamp with. The only antique electric thing I have is an old Snead Victory Lamp from 1919. When I was a wee lad a gentleman we knew from church became a surrogate grandpa to me. Tom Oliver, one of the finest gentlemen I ever knew. I sort of grew up working for Tom on his farm and learned a great deal from him He taught me to drive an old Farmall "M" at the ripe old age of 10. I could barely reach anything. He was a WWI veteran and had been gassed in some battle. Tom gave me that Snead Victory lamp and I never could throw it away. I drug that thing around for 60 years, always threatening to restore it. Finally, about the first of this year while recovering from prostate surgery I drug it out and refinished it and replaced the cord. Remarkably the socket was still good. Probably better than I could buy today so, I didn't lose any of the patina. The lamp now sits on top of my roll top desk with one of the yellow, Edison type lamps.

The Snead Victory Lamp has an interesting story. It is a 75mm projectile for the French 75 artillery piece of WWI fame made into a lamp by a firm in New Jersey. In 1918 an ammo plant, also in New Jersey, caught fire, killed 100 people, destroyed 600 buildings and upon the explosion, these projectiles rained down for miles around. One was found in a school yard as late as 2022. I will have to post the picture from my lap top as it isn't on my desk top computer.

https://www.treasurebunker.com/foru...eview-of-factory-production-shell-trench-art/

Well horse manure....They're rotated the right way in my file. Can someone right them?

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sharps4590 said:
Can someone right them?
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Thank you. I am not very techy.
 

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