Undergrad Behavior of Clamped-Edge Circular Membrane

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The discussion focuses on understanding the behavior of a clamped-edge circular membrane, particularly in relation to drumheads and their tuning. The equation for tension in the membrane is derived, highlighting the significance of the constant 0.766, which relates to the Bessel function. There is an exploration of how to predict changes in the membrane's diameter under tension, with confusion surrounding the application of certain variables in the equations used. The conversation also touches on the wave equation for the membrane, emphasizing the relationship between stress, strain, and oscillation. Overall, the participants are working towards a comprehensive model to assist drummers in selecting appropriate drumhead thicknesses.
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Chrono G. Xay said:
I’m interested in them because they’re a continuous portion of the membrane; as the rim pulls down on the hoop, which is clamped to the edge of the membrane’s collar, naturally the length of the collar affects the amount of elongation experienced until the desired musical pitch (and therefore tension) has been achieved.

(Up until now I thought there was no technical term for the portion of the membrane between the drumhead’s speaking diameter and the hoop, hence my use of “skirt”, but it’s actually called the ‘collar’.)

For this analysis I do not consider the added magnitude of elongation afforded by the collar to be insignificant.
It is not insignificant, but you also need to account for normal forces that result in frictional forces which affect the skin stresess and strains in membrane skin in this region. This is what allows the skin to be pulled down.
 
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Chestermiller said:
It is not insignificant, but you also need to account for normal forces that result in frictional forces which affect the skin stresess and strains in membrane skin in this region. This is what allows the skin to be pulled down.
It’s for that very reason that when lowering the pitch of a drum you intentionally take the pitch slightly lower then what you want it, then tune it *up* to where you actually want it. 😊 The same is done for guitar strings.
The rest of it will basically work itself out on its own once someone starts striking it with a stick.

I also just realized that I had mistyped a few of the earlier functions. I’m sorry. $$ω \left( f_0, D_s \right) = \frac {πf_0 D_s} {J_0 \left( \frac 2 {D_s} {α_1} \right)}$$ $$ρ \left( ρ_M, h_m \right) = ρ_M h_m$$ $$σ \left( ω, ρ \right) = \frac {ω^2} ρ$$ $$D_0 \left( D_s, L_{c,0} \right) = {D_s} + 2L_{c,0}$$ $$D \left( D_0, ν, E \right) = D_0 \left[ 1 + \left( 1 + ν \right) \frac σ E \right]$$ $$L_c \left( D, D_s \right) = \frac {D - {D_s}} 2$$ $$δ \left( L_{c}, r_h, h_c, h_r \right) = \sqrt {L_{c}^2 - r_h^2} - \left( h_c + h_r \right)$$ $$n \left( δ, t \right) = \frac δ {t^{-1}}$$ $$Δδ = δ - δ_0$$ In order of appearance…

##f_0## = Desired fundamental frequency
##D_s## = Speaking diameter of membrane
##α_1## = 1st zero of First Order Bessel Function (2.4048)
##ρ## = Basis weight
##ρ_M## = 3D density of Mylar
##h_m## = Height (thickness) of membrane
##σ## = In-plane axisymmetric stress on membrane
##D_0## = Unstretched membrane overall diameter
##L_{c,0}## = Unstretched membrane collar length
##D## = Stretched membrane overall diameter
##ν## = Poisson’s ratio
##E## = Modulus of elasticity
##L_c## = Stretched membrane collar length
##δ## = Required displacement of membrane rim’s tension rods after tension rods have been taken as low as they will go without increasing the in-plane stress ##σ## above theoretical zero.
##r_h## = Extra radius of membrane hoop (from the center of the shell’s bearing edge to the inside diameter of the membrane’s hoop)
##h_c## = Height (depth) of membrane collar
##h_r## = Height (thickness) of membrane’s rim
##n## = Decimal number of revolutions tension rods must make to achieve needed in-plane stress
##t## = Number of threads per inch/mm on tension rods
##δ_0## = Initial displacement of tension rods (assuming the membrane is already tuned to some initial fundamental frequency ##f_{0,0}##; i.e. ##σ_0 > 0##)
 
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Chrono G. Xay said:
It’s for that very reason that when lowering the pitch of a drum you intentionally take the pitch slightly lower then what you want it, then tune it *up* to where you actually want it. 😊 The same is done for guitar strings.
The rest of it will basically work itself out on its own once someone starts striking it with a stick.

I also just realized that I had mistyped a few of the earlier functions. I’m sorry. $$ω \left( f_0, D_s \right) = \frac {πf_0 D_s} {J_0 \left( \frac 2 {D_s} {α_1} \right)}$$ $$ρ \left( ρ_M, h_m \right) = ρ_M h_m$$ $$σ \left( ω, ρ \right) = \frac {ω^2} ρ$$ $$D_0 \left( D_s, L_{c,0} \right) = {D_s} + 2L_{c,0}$$ $$D \left( D_0, ν, E \right) = D_0 \left[ 1 + \left( 1 + ν \right) \frac σ E \right]$$ $$L_c \left( D, D_s \right) = \frac {D - {D_s}} 2$$ $$δ \left( L_{c}, r_h, h_c, h_r \right) = \sqrt {L_{c}^2 - r_h^2} - \left( h_c + h_r \right)$$ $$n \left( δ, t \right) = \frac δ {t^{-1}}$$ $$Δδ = δ - δ_0$$ In order of appearance…

##f_0## = Desired fundamental frequency
##D_s## = Speaking diameter of membrane
##α_1## = 1st zero of First Order Bessel Function (2.4048)
##ρ## = Basis weight
##ρ_M## = 3D density of Mylar
##h_m## = Height (thickness) of membrane
##σ## = In-plane axisymmetric stress on membrane
##D_0## = Unstretched membrane overall diameter
##L_{c,0}## = Unstretched membrane collar length
##D## = Stretched membrane overall diameter
##ν## = Poisson’s ratio
##E## = Modulus of elasticity
##L_c## = Stretched membrane collar length
##δ## = Required displacement of membrane rim’s tension rods after tension rods have been taken as low as they will go without increasing the in-plane stress ##σ## above theoretical zero.
##r_h## = Extra radius of membrane hoop (from the center of the shell’s bearing edge to the inside diameter of the membrane’s hoop)
##h_c## = Height (depth) of membrane collar
##h_r## = Height (thickness) of membrane’s rim
##n## = Decimal number of revolutions tension rods must make to achieve needed in-plane stress
##t## = Number of threads per inch/mm on tension rods
##δ_0## = Initial displacement of tension rods (assuming the membrane is already tuned to some initial fundamental frequency ##f_{0,0}##; i.e. ##σ_0 > 0##)
I really don't have anything to add to what I said in my previous posts.
 

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