Bernoulli, Fluid Dynamics, and ships

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The problem involves the Plimsoll line on a ship, which indicates the safe maximum load it can carry in water. The scenario describes a cruise ship loading passengers and baggage, with the water level initially at the Plimsoll line and later observed to be at the same level after loading. The questions focus on determining the horizontal cross-sectional area of the ship, the behavior of the water level when the ship moves to sea, and the distance between the Plimsoll line and sea level.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of Bernoulli's equation and Archimedes' principle, with some suggesting that Archimedes' principle may be more applicable. There are inquiries about the relevance of the ship's original weight and the forces acting on the ship, including buoyant and gravitational forces.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different approaches to the problem, with some providing guidance on focusing on the additional weight of passengers and the implications for buoyancy. There is an acknowledgment of the need to clarify assumptions regarding the ship's weight and the forces involved.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of information regarding the original weight of the ship, which some participants question whether it is necessary for solving the problem. The discussion also highlights the distinction between fluid statics and fluid dynamics in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement



The Plimsoll line is a line marked on the side all ships that effectively indicates the safe maximum load the ship can carry in that type of water at that temperature.You have been asked to stand on the dock and collect the tickets of the passengers boarding a cruise ship and notice the Plimsoll line is 1cm above the water. The crew and all the baggage are already aboard. Over the next two hours 2205 passengers of average mass 75.0kg board the ship. At the end of this time you notice that the surface of the water is now at the Plimsoll line. Assume the ship is in a fresh water dock while it is being loaded.a) What is the horizontal cross-sectional area of the ship at the level of the Plimsoll line?b) When the ship leaves the river and moves out into the sea will the water level remain at the height of the Plimsoll line, will it rise above the line or will it drop below the line? Explain your answer.c) If the ship no longer sits with its Plimsoll line at sea level when it is in the sea what is the distance between the line and sea level? The Plimsoll line is 10m above the bottom of the ship.

Homework Equations


P = F/A
F = mg - density(water) x Vdisplaced x g
P + density x gravity x height + 1/2 density x v2

The Attempt at a Solution


I know that for (b) I need to used Bernoulli's equation, however for (a) I am having trouble finding the force and pressure to determine the area.

I'm not sure where to start, so a poke in the right direction would be great.

Thank you
 
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ManicPIxie said:

Homework Statement



The Plimsoll line is a line marked on the side all ships that effectively indicates the safe maximum load the ship can carry in that type of water at that temperature.You have been asked to stand on the dock and collect the tickets of the passengers boarding a cruise ship and notice the Plimsoll line is 1cm above the water. The crew and all the baggage are already aboard. Over the next two hours 2205 passengers of average mass 75.0kg board the ship. At the end of this time you notice that the surface of the water is now at the Plimsoll line. Assume the ship is in a fresh water dock while it is being loaded.a) What is the horizontal cross-sectional area of the ship at the level of the Plimsoll line?b) When the ship leaves the river and moves out into the sea will the water level remain at the height of the Plimsoll line, will it rise above the line or will it drop below the line? Explain your answer.c) If the ship no longer sits with its Plimsoll line at sea level when it is in the sea what is the distance between the line and sea level? The Plimsoll line is 10m above the bottom of the ship.

Homework Equations


P = F/A
F = mg - density(water) x Vdisplaced x g
P + density x gravity x height + 1/2 density x v2

The Attempt at a Solution


I know that for (b) I need to used Bernoulli's equation, however for (a) I am having trouble finding the force and pressure to determine the area.

I'm not sure where to start, so a poke in the right direction would be great.

Thank you
I don't think Bernoulli will be of any use here.

Archimedes should be all you need for (a) and for (b) .
 
I know that for (b) I need to used Bernoulli's equation, ...
What is your reasoning for this? As SamyS suggests, try taking another look at Archimedes instead.
... for (a) I am having trouble finding the force and pressure to determine the area.
Draw a free body diagram for the ship - what are the forces?
 
Thanks.

I already drew a free body diagram, probably should have mentioned that.
The two forces are the buoyant force provided by the fresh water, and the gravitational force. Where I'm stuck I suppose is mostly we aren't given the original weight of the ship, or does this not matter and I should only take into account the 75kg x 2205 people?
 
ManicPIxie said:
Thanks.

I already drew a free body diagram, probably should have mentioned that.
The two forces are the buoyant force provided by the fresh water, and the gravitational force. Where I'm stuck I suppose is mostly we aren't given the original weight of the ship, or does this not matter and I should only take into account the 75kg x 2205 people?
It doesn't matter what the original weight of the ship was.

You know how much additional weight was taken aboard the ship and by how much the draft of the ship changed after this weight was added. From these two pieces of information, and knowing (or looking up) the density of fresh water, you should be able to answer a) above.

SammyS and Simon are right. This is a problem in fluid statics, not fluid dynamics, so put Mr. Bernoulli back in the toolbox. :wink:
 
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Recall: A floating object displaces it's own weight in water.
You should express the weight of water displaced in terms of the volume of water displaced before and after the passengers get on board.
Everything you don't know, just write it down as a variable. You'll end up with two equations and two unknowns.
 

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