Bernoulli River: Calculating Water Speed

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The discussion revolves around calculating the speed of water in the Bernoulli River, which results from the confluence of two other rivers with specified volume flow rates. The problem involves concepts from fluid dynamics, particularly Bernoulli's equation and the equation of continuity.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the flow rates of the two rivers and the resulting speed in the Bernoulli River. There are attempts to clarify the application of the equation of continuity and the significance of dimensions in calculations. Questions arise regarding the logic behind specific calculations and the interpretation of the equations involved.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the calculations and the underlying principles, while others are seeking further clarification on specific steps and reasoning. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the variables involved, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of checking dimensions in calculations and the need to ensure that the algebraic manipulations are performed correctly. The discussion also highlights the distinction between the applications of Bernoulli's equation and the equation of continuity.

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Homework Statement

: River Pascal with a volume flow rate of 4.8×105L/s joins with River Archimedes, which carries 1.04×106L/s , to form the Bernoulli River. The Bernoulli River is 190 m wide and 20 m deep.[/B]

Homework Equations

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What is the speed of the water in the Bernoulli River?
Express your answer using two significant figures.
Express answer in m/s.[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution


I have not yet attempted to write any answers b/c I'm unsure how to solve the equation. I believe I have to use Bernoulli's equation since that is a recent topic in class.[/B]
 
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Hello Dilman, :welcome:

Good of you to mention there is a b and a c part in this exercise. Maybe the a part is just a warming up ?
And you can safely assume the B river carries off the sum of the flows so there is no unpleasant accumulation at the confluence...
 
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Thanks! I understood the speed of River B would have to include the values given for Rivers 1 and 2. I got an answer of 0.4 m/s which was correct but I was wondering if you could better explain the logic behind why the summation of the given values for Rivers 1 and 2 was divided by 3800 (190 m/s x 20 m/s = 3800).
 
I don't know what you are referring to, but I can easily guess that the division was not by 190 m/s x 20 m/s = 3800 m2/s2 !
Always, always check your dimensions !

Write out the detailed steps of the calculation -- with the dimensions and see that it all fits nicely. Post if you want comments.
 
Dilman Sidhu said:
Thanks! I understood the speed of River B would have to include the values given for Rivers 1 and 2. I got an answer of 0.4 m/s which was correct but I was wondering if you could better explain the logic behind why the summation of the given values for Rivers 1 and 2 was divided by 3800 (190 m/s x 20 m/s = 3800).
This is an application of the equation of continuity, not so much an application of the Bernoulli equation.

Here, the equation of continuity is "amount of water flowing into the river junction = the amount of water flowing out of the river junction"

In terms of algebra, Qin = Qout
and
Q = A ⋅ v, where
Q - flow in m3 / s
A - cross sectional area of the channel(s), m2
v - velocity of the flow, m/s

The area of the channel of River Bernoulli is A = 190 m × 20 m = 3800 m2

Units are included in calculations to help you make sense of the numbers. They are not intended to be a nuisance.
 
It is best practise to do the algebra on the symbols, substituting the numbers at the end.
The volume rate of flow Q is given by ##Q=vA## where A is the crossection area of the pipe (in this case the river) and v (perpendicular) is the speed of the flow.
You've already worked out that the flow rate for the Bournoulli river must be the sum of the flows for the other two so ##Q = Q_A+Q_P## ... if v is to be the speed of the Bournoulli river, then A must be its crossection - roughly width times depth: ##A=WD## (you could choose a different approximation for the shape of the river if you like.)

Now all the variables in the definition are in terms of stuff you know, you can substitute and use algebra to solve the resulting equation for v, using symbols only.
 

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