Best all time mathematicians/physicists.

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  • #51
the smirnov-nagata metrization theorem is considered the "definitive" metrization theorem though, as far as I know, and a very important theorem in general topology. I think urysohn has one too but it doesn't give necessary & sufficient conditions (he only gives one of the other i think). now that i think about it, what mathwonk said about russell sounds right. let's not fuss over what a number is; let's get in there & do stuff with them!


how about some 20th-century algebraists: artin, wedderburn, burnside, frobenius & lie & cayley (part of 20th century anyway), schur, van der waerden, sauders maclane, gelfand (banach algebras)
 
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  • #52
those are some good names. i was tickled to learn that cayley is in my mathematical genealogy according to that website. van der waerden's famous book is apparently based on lectures of artin and noether, but he did some fundamental work on putting algebraic geometry on a firm foundation. Of course it is not his foundations that took hold, or persisted.

I don't know quite what to make of saunders maclane. I like his book Homolgy, and one could get into a whole endless discussion of how important category theory is, called by Miles Reid "surely one of the most sterile of intellectual pursuits". But some very bright people work in it. Everyone finds it interesting when they first see it, and the language is universally used. But most people get bored of it rather soon.
 
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  • #53
fourier jr said:
... florence nightingale...

Checking to see if we are awake? :-p
 
  • #54
Are people here impressed with Stephen Wolfram? Is computer science considered a branch of mathematics?
 
  • #55
As a physicist, I look at the more applied people:

Gauss, Dirichlet, Neumann, Liebnitz, Newton.

Of course, guys like von Neumann, Weyl, Wigner come to mind. Now I have seen Feynman listed, but who here has mentioned Schwinger, another of the mathematically inclined theoretical physicists who developed QED, Dyson can be considered in this group.

Nash comes to mind for Game theory, Godel for pure Logic, Hilbert for axiom"izing" math and his 20(5)?? problems for 20th century mathematics.

Erdos for 20th century mathematicians was the most prolific, has anyone here mentioned Feigenbaum for his development of Chaos theory and Mandelbrot for Fractals?

Who are we to judge, I am a mere mortal in comaprison to these giants.
 
  • #56
I forgot two of the most outstanding figures of the latter part of the last century, Deligne and Faltings.

(Deligne solved the last of the Weil conjectures, and Faltings solved Mordell's conjecture, both more interesting to me than Fermat's conjecture.)

Hilbert of course had 23 problems. his remarks on problem solving may be of interest:

"If we do not succeed in solving a mathematical problem, the reason frequently consists in our failure to recognize the more general standpoint from which the problem before us appears only as a single link in a chain of related problems. After finding this standpoint, not only is this problem frequently more accessible to our investigation, but at the same time we come into possession of a method which is applicable also to related problems. The introduction of complex paths of integration by Cauchy and of the notion of the IDEALS in number theory by Kummer may serve as examples. This way for finding general methods is certainly the most practicable and the most certain; for he who seeks for methods without having a definite problem in mind seeks for the most part in vain.

In dealing with mathematical problems, specialization plays, as I believe, a still more important part than generalization. Perhaps in most cases where we seek in vain the answer to a question, the cause of the failure lies in the fact that problems simpler and easier than the one in hand have been either not at all or incompletely solved. All depends, then, on finding out these easier problems, and on solving them by means of devices as perfect as possible and of concepts capable of generalization. This rule is one of the most important levers for overcoming mathematical difficulties and it seems to me that it is used almost always, though perhaps unconsciously.

Occasionally it happens that we seek the solution under insufficient hypotheses or in an incorrect sense, and for this reason do not succeed. The problem then arises: to show the impossibility of the solution under the given hypotheses, or in the sense contemplated. Such proofs of impossibility were effected by the ancients, for instance when they showed that the ratio of the hypotenuse to the side of an isosceles right triangle is irrational. In later mathematics, the question as to the impossibility of certain solutions plays a preeminent part, and we perceive in this way that old and difficult problems, such as the proof of the axiom of parallels, the squaring of the circle, or the solution of equations of the fifth degree by radicals have finally found fully satisfactory and rigorous solutions, although in another sense than that originally intended. It is probably this important fact along with other philosophical reasons that gives rise to the conviction (which every mathematician shares, but which no one has as yet supported by a proof) that every definite mathematical problem must necessarily be susceptible of an exact settlement, either in the form of an actual answer to the question asked, or by the proof of the impossibility of its solution and therewith the necessary failure of all attempts. Take any definite unsolved problem, such as the question as to the irrationality of the Euler-Mascheroni constant C, or the existence of an infinite number of prime numbers of the form 2n + 1. However unapproachable these problems may seem to us and however helpless we stand before them, we have, nevertheless, the firm conviction that their solution must follow by a finite number of purely logical processes."
 
  • #57
No one's mentioned Selberg...he's not that big a deal then ?
 
  • #58
Gokul43201 said:
No one's mentioned Selberg...he's not that big a deal then ?

that was the guy who shafted Erdos, so I don't like him much even though I don't really know anything about him except for that
 
  • #59
i have only heard of selberg's trace formula, but he is famous, much more as a mathematician than erdos, who is known primarily for being eccentric, and for writing a huge number of papers.

in fact there is an invariant known as the "erdos number" which is one less than the smallest number of people say A,B,C,D...,X, such that A = you, X = erdos, and A has written a paper with B, and B has written a paper with C and so on.

so it is the smallest link between you and erdos in terms of writing papers. I.e. if you have written a paper with erdos, then your erdos number is 1. If you have not, but you have written a paper with someone who has written a paper with erdos, then your erdos number is 2, and so on. Erdos wrote so many papers that most people have a fairly small erdos number. It may be conjectured that everyone in the world who has written a paper has a finite erdos number.

I for example who have very little interest in or admiration for erdos, and work in a different area, nonetheless have an erdos number of about 3.

erdos has perhaps the record for the largest number of papers, about 1,000 or so.
but to me this is almost a joke, as no one can write that many good papers. or it would be except that i know from personal experience that erdos has had a very good influence on young people in interesting them in mathematics with his many problems. so he is doing this (or was) for a good unselfish reason. i.e. he was not just publishing papers to make money or become famous. still the quality of the output is highly questionable in many cases.

for example riemann wrote far, far, fewer papers, his collected works list 31, of which i am personnaly familiar only with 5.

These 5, the only ones by riemann that are famous (to me) are his thesis on riemann surfaces where he introduces concepts of topology to study plane curves and complex functions, his followup paper on abelian functions including his analysis of analytic functions on a riemann surface and the first part of the famous riemann - roch theorem, his beautiful paper on the vanishing of theta functions containing his (partial) proof of the famous riemann singularities theorem, his great paper (habilitationschrift) on differential geometry in which he defined n dimensional manifolds and curvature (translated in spivak's book on diff geom, volume 2) , and his famous paper on prime numbers.

yet each of these 5 is absolutely Earth shattering, and his prime number conjecture, the so called "riemann hypothesis", is perhaps the most famous unsolved problem in mathematics today.

ironically, although one can readily buy a translation of almost any piece of trivial #%**&* written in any language, I do not know of a translation into english of any other of the great papers of riemann except that in spivak's book. (nor of galois' famous letter. perhaps that is why so few people know it anticipated some of riemann's works, and in particular that it contains more than the theory of groups.)

the only mathematics i know of that erdos is famous for is his "elementary" proof of the prime number theorem. "elementary" means that someone else proved it first (hadamard?) using more sophisticated mathematics and erdos proved it afterward using fewer tools. this does not in itself impress me, as often the real insight into a theorem comes from using more sophisticated and more natural tools suited to the problem. It is often easy to analyze someone else's proof and then remove the sophisticated techniques in an unnatural way, so that they become disguised, and claim to have an elementary proof, but a proof no one would ever have thought of without the original proof to guide them.

a friend of mine once explained to me a small modification of a problem of erdos on the other hand which I solved in 5 minutes, and everyone else i have told about it solved it in a few seconds. so i know some of his problems are rather easy.

to be fair, erdos also posed some extremely non trivial problems that lasted for years, and some of my most respected colleagues are proud to have solved them, but i am still not moved too much, perhaps because of that first experience.

even his hard problems do not seem super interesting to me, because the ones i have seen are somewhat narrow in scope and application.

i will admit however that i know some fine mathematicians who have the highest possible regard for erdos, but not huge numbers of them. almost everyone on the other hand reveres the names of riemann, gauss, euler, hilbert, and archimedes. i see on looking back that my list overlaps considerably with the first post on this thread, especially since i omit physicists, so einstein is not eligible for my list. i would also admit Newton but do not want to give up any of mine, so i have 6.

in the 20th century i still like grothendieck, serre, deligne, weil, weyl, poincare, hilbert, chern, kodaira, milnor, mumford, faltings, witten (a physicist who definitely impacts mathematics) and others.

I do not know if these are comparable to the ancients, with less than 100 years of perspective. If so, then the 20th century may be the richest source of great math scientists, and it probably is. my personal favorite century for rich math though is the 19th, led by riemann and gauss.

the early 21st century may lag somewhat behind the 2oth, since today's NY Times records that congress decided to cut the budget of the national science foundation, partly in order to have money to fund the rock and roll hall of fame in cleveland and the country music hall of fame in nashville. Is it any wonder why the US lags the world in math/science, but not in football or rock and roll?
 
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  • #60
The "elementary" in the Erdos/Selberg proof of the prime number theorem refers to the absense of complex analysis. It's not at all a disguised version of the (independant) proofs supplied by Hadamard and de la Vallee Poussin but a creature of it's own design. While the elementary version was not Earth shattering-indeed it's much more difficult and produces an inferior error term than complex methods-it was interesting from a view of what tools were "necessary" in prime number theory. Many believed that a proof outside complex variables was impossible-Hadamard said, "The shortest path between two truths in the real domain passes through the complex domain. " It was now clear that 'only' could not be substituted for 'shortest'.

Another quite interesting thing about the elementary proof is it results in a non-trivial zero free region of the Riemann Zeta function. It's been said "The longest path between two complex truths lies on the real line," but not by anyone important (just me I think).

About the "shafting"-I've only read second hand versions of the elementary proof (mathwonk is thinking it already-shame on me!), but my understanding is that the crux of the proof relies on a non-obvious identity that Selberg has sole ownership of. I'd put Erdos near the top of the list of "problem solvers/posers" and certainly one of the top collaboraters. On my list of "doers of deep mathematics," Selberg's higher up.

mathwonk-Edward's "Riemann's Zeta Function" has a translation of Riemann's "On the Number of Primes Less Than A Given Magnitude" in it. You'd like Edwards, the last line in his preface reads "If you read this book without reading the primary sources you are like a man who brings a sack lunch to banquet."
 
  • #61
thanks for the enlightenment on erdos proof even if second hand, and the reference to edwards. if you know of any reference for the papers on abelian functions and vanishing of theta functions i'd really enjoy those.
 
  • #62
what was published in erdos' times of london obituary was this: "Selberg and Erdös agreed to publish their work in back-to-back papers in the same journal, explaining the work each had done and sharing the credit. But at the last minute Selberg ... raced ahead with his proof and published first. The following year Selberg won the Fields Medal for this work", which is why i said shafted. i read that in 'the man who loved only numbers' also. that's all i know; i haven't tried to read the proof though, or anything original relating to it.
 
  • #63
that appraisal of the fields medal in erdos obituary sounded wrong, or at least misleading to me, and it seems in conflict with the following account on the web. i could look it up mrore authoritatively later in the official account of the ICM of 1950.

"In 1950 Selberg was awarded a Fields Medal at the International Congress of Mathematicians at Harvard. The Fields Medal was awarded for his work on generalisations of the sieve methods of Viggo Brun, and for his major work on the zeros of the Riemann zeta function where he proved that a positive proportion of its zeros satisfy the Riemann hypothesis.

Selberg is also well known for his elementary proof of the prime number theorem, with a generalisation to prime numbers in an arbitrary arithmetic progression."

so perhaps selberg did not in fact receive the fields medal for his proof of the prime number theorem. he may however have won for results which were needed for his proof. I am not speaking here from personal knowledge of the mathematics.

here may be the problem Fourier jr: you seem to have misquoted the London Times obituary by one letter: "this work" in place of "his work". That has a different connotation and was my conjecture as to what it should have said.

"Selberg and Erdos agreed to publish their work in back-to-back papers in the same journal, explaining the work each had done and sharing the credit. But at the last minute Selberg (who, it was said, had overheard himself being slighted by colleagues) raced ahead with his proof and published first. The following year Selberg won the Fields Medal for his work"



if you consider fields medalists to be candidates for best mathematicians of the latter 20th century, and they are at least candidates for the mathematicians who looked best by the age of 35, up to 1998 they are:

1936 L V Ahlfors
1936 J Douglas
1950 L Schwartz
1950 A Selberg
1954 K Kodaira
1954 J-P Serre
1958 K F Roth
1958 R Thom
1962 L V Hörmander
1962 J W Milnor
1966 M F Atiyah
1966 P J Cohen
1966 A Grothendieck
1966 S Smale
1970 A Baker
1970 H Hironaka
1970 S P Novikov
1970 J G Thompson
1974 E Bombieri
1974 D B Mumford
1978 P R Deligne
1978 C L Fefferman
1978 G A Margulis
1978 D G Quillen
1982 A Connes
1982 W P Thurston
1982 S-T Yau
1986 S Donaldson
1986 G Faltings
1986 M Freedman
1990 V Drinfeld
1990 V Jones
1990 S Mori
1990 E Witten
1994 P-L Lions
1994 J-C Yoccoz
1994 J Bourgain
1994 E Zelmanov
1998 R Borcherds
1998 T Gowers
1998 Maxim Kontsevich
1998 C McMullen


ohmigosh, i never mentioned atiyah or novikov!
 
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  • #64
What about Hamilton?
Surely he deserves a mention.
 
  • #65
Let's settle some scores:
1.I'd bet my money on mathematicians who provided useful results for theoretical physics:(chronologically).I wpuld have to chose from the following 2 lists:
1.Isaac Newton+Gottfied Wilhelm Leibniz.
2.Leonhard Euler.
3.Carl Gauss.
4.William Rowan Hamilton.
5.Bernhard Riemann.
6.DAvid Hilbert.
7.Tulio Levi-Civita.
8.Hermann Weyl.
9.Elie Cartan.
10.Eugene Paul Wigner.
11.John von Neumann.


Physicists (theorists,of course):Chronological order:
0.Carl Gauss.
1.James Clerk Mawell.
2.Ludwig Boiltzmann.
3.Rudolf Clausius.
4.Max Planck.
5.Henri Poincaré.
6.Henrik Antoon Lorentz.
7.Niels Bohr.
7'.Erwin Sommerfeld.
8.Albert Einstein.
9.Louis de Broglie.
10.Erwin Schroedinger.
11.Werner Heisenberg.
12.Max Born.
13.Pascual Jordan.
14.Paul Adrien Maurice Dirac.
15.Enrico Fermi.
16.Wolfgang Pauli.
17.Julian Schwinger.
18.Shinjiro Tomonaga.
19.Richard Feynman.
20.Murray GellMann.
21.Seldon Glashow.
22.Steven Weinberg.
23.Abdus Salam.
24.Gerardus'tHooft.

I'd go for all mathematicians.Without,let's say,one of them,many of the guys from the second group would not have accomplished too much.Einstein would have done s*** without Hilbert and Weyl guiding him through tensor analysis.
For the second,i ended my list once with the completion of the SM,as theorists working after 1971(1974 exactly) have not received any Nobel Prize so far and their theories' predictions have not been tested experimentally.
Usually Dirac and Feynman (as u can see,neither is German :-p ) get the credit for "the greatest",Dirac through his prolific theoretical results and Feynman for his QM&QED path-integral appraches.
It should be fair to put along one German as well (historically,GR is a German theory and QM a German theory based on a Frenchman's enlightning idea).I would go for Albert Einstein.

Daniel.

PS.Many mathematicians have had tremendous contribution to theoretical physics as well.I only chose Gauss of them,though Newton,Cartan,von Neumann & Hilbert to the say the least,should have been put in the second list.
 
  • #66
mathwonk said:
so perhaps selberg did not in fact receive the fields medal for his proof of the prime number theorem. he may however have won for results which were needed for his proof. I am not speaking here from personal knowledge of the mathematics.

They are unrelated. I would have my doubts that the elementary prime number theorem proof was a major source for the Fields medal, considering just how deep his other work was. I've now read both Erdos and Selberg's '49 papers on the prime number theorem (they live in jstor if you have access to it). Here's my brief synopsis to maybe clear a few things up:

1)The heart of the method is a formula I mentioned of Selberg's. In the usual number theory way, it has a bunch of sums over log's of primes. I'm not sure if this formula was actually new at the time-it's actually pretty trivial to prove with the Prime Number Theorem. What was definitely new is that Selberg managed to prove this with elementary methods (of course independant of the PNT).
2)Erdos, using Selberg's formula, proved a little result relating to the number of primes in certain intervals. This depended on Selberg's result, though was done without Erdos knowing Selberg's proof.
3)Selberg then used the Erdos result (and it's proof) on his own to prove the prime number theorem. Yay. This was pretty terrific, since it was not at all an obvious thing that Selberg's formula could be used to deduce the PNT.
4)Selberg simplified the proof of the Erdos result.
5)Together they simplified the proof of the prime number theorem.
6)Selberg came up with a new way to get the PNT from his formula from 1, bypassing the need for the Erdos' result (and it's methods). This is what Selberg published, and it was entirely his own work and ideas. In Selberg's paper, he mentions that the Erdos result was used in his first proof of the PNT, and he devotes some time to sketching the argument involved.

In short- Selberg fully acknowledged that his first proof (and it was his) relied on the Erdos result. He (and he's convinced me) felt that his method was superior in it's simplicity. There appears to be absolutely no theft of any ideas, and credit seems to be laid out where credit is due. The only possible slight I can see is Selberg doesn't mention 5 above- though simplifying the proof really wasn't worth much. Erdos paper essentially gives his original proof (of his result in 2 above) and sketches all the simplified versions of things above.

mathwonk-I ran across http://www.maths.tcd.ie/pub/HistMath/People/Riemann/
which has most (maybe all) of Riemann's works in German. That's not so useful for the German impaired, but there is a translation of his foundations of geometry (the one in Spivak) and of his number theory paper. I thought you might find the latter interesting (though Edward's book is a cheapie Dover one).
 
  • #67
^^ coo, i didn't know about any of that. it sounds like that erdos obituary in that london newspaper was a bit one-sided & misleading. it made selberg sound like just an 'also-ran' & who stole some ideas (etc) from erdos
 
  • #68
Nobody mentioned Felix Klein, who is of importance because he initiated the explicit use of group theory methods in geometry.
 
  • #69
Most of us here have nothing near the qualifications for doing things in terms of of "best" because I will at least speak for myself in saying that I don't know near as much as any of these guys did, even hundreds of years ago, give my 5 years, until I finally move past some of the really old ones like Newton, and then maybe I can make a decision. However, for my five favorite, and then a list of people I think were somewhat left out:

Einstein
Euler
Leibniz
Feynman
Gauss

Others who have been left out:
Dirac - he almost made my top 5
Calibi
Yau
Witten
Heisenburg
Schrodinger
Pauli
insert almost any other great physicist of the 20's
 
  • #70
arildno said:
Which Bernoulli?
There were scores of them, hating each other.

They hated each others?! Haha..

Do you have any anecdotes about that?
 
  • #71
A name I run into every few years is John Horton Conway. I know he made important contributions to group theory, cellular automata, and knot theory. He clearly doesn't restrict himself to one narrow branch of mathematics. He is still alive, as far as I know.
 
  • #72
More people should be talking about Dirac...I feel sad.
 
  • #73
we can only talk knowledgably about what we know about. of all the famous classical people mentioned I have only read riemann in the original, a few pages of Newton and gauss, and one page of bernoulli. in modern times i still have read only einstein, serre, mumford, atiyah, mori, weyl, grothendieck, and some expositiory stuff by Planck, poincare and hilbert, among the names above. i can spend 10 or 20 years reading one good paper by a top mathematician, and i still may not be done with it.
 
  • #74
Speaking of mathematicians who've most helped physics move along, Sophus Lie and Hermann Minkowski probably deserve mention.
 
  • #75
I don't know what lie did but his name is on some of the most important and basic objects in math and physics, linear ("lie")groups and their associated ("lie") algebras. minkowski of course is famous to me as being credited with conceiving of 4 dimensional space time, and also for his work in geometrical number theory.
 
  • #76
Yeah, I don't believe its common knowledge that Minkowski did a lot of work on Number Theory. The only piece I'm aware of is the theorem named after him - an illusively obvious sounding statement about symmetric convex regions in the integral lattice.
 
  • #77
Did anyone mention Euclid?
 
  • #78
Einstein, Newton, Archimedes, Euler, Maxwell, Gibbs, Schrodinger, Godel

To me Gibbs is the greatest american scientist of all time.
 
  • #79
There is no such thing as the best mathematicians/physicists imho. There
are some great ones like Newton and Einstein but we are all standing
on the shoulder of the giants.
 
  • #80
If you're including mathematicians and physicists, then 5 is probably not enough. :) But let me try (in no particular order, really):

1. Gauss (math)
2. Newton (math and physics)
3. Einstein (physics)
4. Euler (math)
5. Wiles (math)

Yeah, I know, the last one is going to be controversial but who among us has solved an age old vexing mathematical question in his/her lifetime ? ;)

If we're talking about greatest philosophers, I'd have to consider people like Gödel and Kant. If the criterion were greatest genius level accomplishments in a lifetime, Da Vinci would be right up there, but Newton would almost certainly be up there too. If sheer cognitive power were to decide the ranking, I'd need to include William James Sidis, who didn't accomplish all that much, but could've.
 
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  • #81
Just browsing through here quickly, no one seems to mention von Neumann. Man, was he brilliant. Not to mention Poincare. He almost had relativity before Einstein.

I got a couple of females to add that held their own too

Olga Ladyzhenskaya
Emmy Noether
Sofia Kovalevskaya

I think I'd have to break up my list into math and physics. My list for math would probably look something like this though:

Gauss
Riemann
Euler
Hilbert
von Neumann

Doh, no room for Archimedes.

For physics:

Newton
Einstein
Dirac
Feynman
Maxwell
 
  • #82
I haven't seen these two mentioned yet (I didn't go through the entire thread tho):

Laplace
Fourier
 
  • #83
I think that the best mathematical physicists (of today) are:

1. Edward Witten
2. Michio Kaku
3. Robert M. Wald (see http://physics.uchicago.edu/t_rel.html )
4. John Baez
 
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  • #84
X-43D said:
I think that the best mathematical physicists (of today) are:

1. Edward Witten
2. Michio Kaku
3. Robert M. Wald (see http://physics.uchicago.edu/t_rel.html )
4. John Baez

Michio Kaku is probably the best one of today, I think. His first apperance on TechTV basically changed my life. Even more so after I read Hyperspace.
 
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  • #85
an english translation of riemanns works just came out and i am blown away by it. after spending my entire scientific career studying "riemann surfaces" i am learning things from his original papers i never understood before.

he dismisses things in 2 sentences that I thought were difficult. I recommend this work extremely highly, although I admit that even as an "expert" on this material it is taking me up to a week sometimes to read one page.

It is worth it though, since a week to understand something is less than 25 years not to.

It is now clear that much of the modern "sheaf theoretic" treatments of riemann roch theorems are nothing but an abstract reformulation of riemann's original conception of the topic.

what a visionary.

for example the riemann roch theorem, i.e. the problem of computing the number of independent meromorphic functions with pole divisor dominated by a given divisor D, is merely that of computing the rank of a certain matrix

from C^d to C^g, where d is the degree of the given divisor.

Riemann shows the kernel of the map has dimension one less than the dimension of the space of functions.

Hence the riemann inequality says; l(D)-1 = one less than the dimension of the space of meromorphic functiuons witrh pole divisor supported in D,

lies between d and d-g, i.e. l(D) -1 is at least d-g and at most d.

i.e. l(D) is at least d-g+1 and at most d+1.

this is riemanns famous inequality.

then the so called riemann roch theorem, computes this matrix more precisely as the g by d matrix with (i,j) entry wi(pj) where wi is the ith basic holomorphic differential, and pj is the jth point of the divisor D.

hence the rank of the matrix equals g - l(K-D) where K-D is the space of holomorphic differentials vanishing on D.

thus l(D)-1 + g-l(K-D) = d, i.e. l(D) = d+1-g + l(K-D), the full clasical RRT.

thats all. how simple is that? try getting that from any modern book, in that succint a form.
 
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  • #86
Well, to be frank, I worship Sir Isaac Newton. An arrogant man or not, he was the greatest scientist the world has ever seen. He was a great man because, he invented what he needed and what he invented revolutionized the world. He invented optics. He did a great deal for science in England, while he was the headmaster of the Royal Society.

Anyway, my list for mathematicians would include Isaac Newton, Leibniz, Euler, Riemann and Gauss.
The list for phsyicists consists of Isaac Newton, Prof. Feynman, Albert Einstein.
 
  • #87
YOU have just said what i was about to,to me Newton is the greatest i know of,being arrogant is no reason to deprive him of his glory,while the greatest problem solver happens to be john nash.The rest were good too,really good.But the best is Newton, you take a look at his works well and see the dexterity,the wide horizons related to his works, you professors shoukld give this a try
 
  • #88
I sometimes hear that Gauss is considered by many as the best matematician of all time.. But I don't really see why. It seems to me that some others were more prolific, and some discovered more interesting things than him. What is it that makes Gauss the best or one of the best matematician of all times?
 
  • #89
I'm noticing a distinct lack of love for Mandelbrot and Julia. They may not be the "best", but they're still pretty important. Plus, even laymen (such as myself) can appreciate fractals.

Cantor also belongs on the list. His brilliant ideas of the different cardinalities of infinite sets netted him huge amounts of flak from contemporary mathematicians. So much so, he had a nervous breakdown. But guess who ended up getting the last laugh?

I'm surprised that Godel wasn't mentioned more. I'm also surprised Descartes has't been mentioned.

Finally, not one person has mentioned Edward Lorenz, discoverer of the so-called "butterfly effect". He essentially jump-started interest in chaos theory, single-handedly
 
  • #90
i'm not qualified to compare all those outstanding people, not even to evaluate one of them. I'm having real trouble even reading a few pages of riemann at sometimes a week per page.

but i am very impressed with his work, and (although i am guessing here, not having read but a tiny amount of gauss), i suspect gauss excelled at proving things rigorously.

riemann on the other hand apparently excelled at seeing true phenomena which lie deep, even when he could not completely prove them, due to lack of sufficiently sophisticated mathematics. he seems to have been inspired also by physical insight, to have faith in the correctness of his results.

so there are many different qualities which can make someone seem great. we are probably on shaky ground comparing them until we have read and understood them however, and this seems to be a job for more than one lifetime.

so far I am only through riemann's thesis, and about half of his abelian functions paper.

i admire Newton for his concept of limit, as basic to derivatives. It seems to me that the previous understanding of derivatives, due to fermat, and descartes, is insufficient to achieve the fundamental theorem of caculus in the generality of Newtons point of view. I also like Newton's proof of the integrability of monotone functions.

unfortunately i have read extremely little of Newton as well.
 
  • #91
why einstein is better than Newton

mc^2<mc^2

therefor

Newton < einstein
 
  • #92
Personally, my top two are
Riemann (1st) &
Euler (2nd)
 
  • #93
i like that list. interesting remark: riemann only published 9 papers, so he might not even get tenure at a state university these days. and he probably had no grant support. the paper in which he described the intrinsic curvature tensor did not even win the award he submitted it for. his story is really unbelievable. the idea that metric notions derived from observations of phenomena in the large may not hold in physics of the immeasurably small is due to him. he pointed out that if we assume rigid bodies mjy be transformed anywhere in space without changing their shape it only implies space has constant curvature. and that if this curvature happens to be positive, no matter how small, then space is necessarily finite. all this is decades before einstein. his development of necessary and sufficient conditions for functions to be represented by Fourier series resembles the standard treatment by zygmund studied today. his formulation of the concept of fractional differentiation via gamma functions and fractional integrals, relating it to abels equation is still the form used today. he basically invented topology. his theory of complex variables revolutionized the subject, and brought algebraic geometry out of the elementary stages into a flourishing deep theory. he invented differentiable manifolds, and generalized gauss's theory of curvature of surfaces to arbnitrary dimensions. he initiated the study of "moduli" spaces of geometric objects, primarily complex curves, and line bundles on them, and computed their dimensions. his riemann roch theorem serves as the model for generalizations up until the present time, by enriques-severi, hirzebruch, grotyhendieck, atiyah-singer, baum - fulton - macpherson,...


his clear precise definition fo the riemann integral takes about 5 lines, and is immediately followed by a characterization of riemann integrable functions that is immediately shown to be equivalent to saying the set of dicscontinuties has "measure" zero. this theory which is what most people asociate with his name, is merely a brief remark on his way to studying Fourier series.

it goes on and on... i don't really see how anyone person could have done all this.

oh i completely forgot his classic 8 page paper on prime numbers which posed the still unresolved riemann hypothesis, stated in hilbert's famous lecture, and worth a million dollars today to any solver.

and there are hundreds more pages I am not familiar with at all, propagation of waves, ...
 
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  • #94
Looking at these giants, I feel like a point. Look at Gauss: Disquisitiones Arithmeticae completed by 24... I'm an eyelash away from that age and haven't done jack.

Must catch up...
 
  • #95
Take a look at this list http://www.sali.freeservers.com/engineering/maths.html

The last 100 years we've had quite a few great mathematicians, as good as any of the heavy hitter mathematicians like Euler, Gauss, and Riemann
 
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  • #96
My favorite 3 are Euler, Gauss, and Ramanujan
 
  • #97
In the list in cronxeh's post, René Descartes is said to have invented 'Analytical Geometry'. What do they mean? What's analytical geometry?

mathwonk said:
it goes on and on... i don't really see how anyone person could have done all this.
And he died at 39 !

Your precious grotindiek isn't even on that list wonk :wink:
 
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  • #98
I have to like Lev Landau in physics. The dude's work was so ahead of its time that it took a while before everyone else caught up to him, and he did it in the Soviet Union.
 
  • #99
My first 3 in each list are in order, the rest are not.

Mathematicians:
Euler
Riemann
Gauss
Fermat
Lagrange
Hilbert
Poincaré
Cantor
Kolmogorov
Grothendieck

Physicists:
Einstein
Newton
Maxwell
Bohr
Schrödinger
Rutherford
Dirac
Heisenberg
Pauli
Feynman

I suppose there are too many theoreticians and not enough experimentalists in the physicists list, but that's my bias. Physics goes nowhere without the work of experimentalists.

I find it difficult to properly judge the works of ancient Greeks, Arabs and Hindus, so I didn't include them, although Archimedes must surely rank as one of the greatest minds in history.
 
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mathwonk said:
an english translation of riemanns works just came out and i am blown away by it.

Can you provide more details? I couldn't find it on Amazon or the web.
 

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