What is the Most Effective Angle for Blowing on Hot Coffee to Cool it Down?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the most effective angle for blowing on hot coffee to cool it down, focusing on experimental results and various factors influencing the cooling process. Participants explore the implications of their findings, including the effects of airflow, container shape, and the role of convection.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes an experiment measuring the cooling effect of blowing on coffee at various angles, suggesting that blowing at 60° increased surface area and affected evaporative cooling.
  • Another participant questions the experimental setup, noting that the power of the air stream and the shape of the container could significantly influence the results.
  • A different viewpoint proposes that blowing at a 60° angle might enhance convection currents, bringing hotter coffee to the surface more effectively than other angles.
  • Concerns are raised about whether the coffee was filled to the brim, which could affect airflow dynamics at different angles.
  • One participant suggests that if the coffee was not stirred, blowing at an angle could induce convection, which may hasten cooling, but acknowledges that beyond a certain angle, the effectiveness of the airflow diminishes.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of including error bars in the data presented, arguing that without them, the significance of the results remains unclear and could be influenced by various systematic errors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the optimal angle for blowing on coffee, with no consensus reached. Some agree on the potential benefits of certain angles, while others raise questions about experimental validity and the influence of external factors.

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Limitations include potential systematic errors related to measurement accuracy, the height of the coffee level, and the distance to the air source. The discussion also highlights the need for clarity on experimental conditions, such as whether the coffee was stirred.

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My friends and I were curious as to what the best angle was to blow on coffee to cool it down (actually only the coffee near the surface cools, so that's where we measured)

We did three trials each for 0°, 30°, 45°, 60°, 75°, and 90°.. all started around 88°C to 91°C measured every 30 seconds for 3 minutes while blowing on it with an electric pump (opening modified to simulate lips)

We got this result, graph of average degrees per second as a function of blowing angle

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Aside from the air blowing away the vapor-saturated-air to keep evaporation going, we think we got this result because blowing down 60° caused an increase in surface area (by pushing down the water slightly on one side) and we think that the graph went down towards the end because surrounding pressure became greater than vapor pressure so evaporative cooling became less.

What do you guys think?

Btw, the red dot was the control, no blowing involved.
 
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Wait...did you actually do this experiment? If so, you're awesome. Was it for a school project or something?

Anyway, there's lots to take into account. I'm guessing the power of the air stream would definitely change the optimal angle. You'd also have to specify exactly what the liquid does when the air hits it. Also, the shape of the container it is in probably matters a great deal.
 
My bet would be the shape of your coffee cup... blowing at the 60 degree angle could be the best by causing the coffee to flow and help convection currents bring the hotter coffee to the surface, more so than the other angles anyways.

interesting experiment lol
 
Did you have the coffee filled to the brim of the mug, so that the air would always hit the surface of the coffee and not hit the inside of the mug at low angles? Or did you have it filled to a level more characteristic of normal drinking practices?

My coffee maker doesn't make the coffee scaldingly hot, I never need to worry about this.
 
Great experiment.

Did you stir the coffee to obtain an even temperature of the liquid throughout or just the top surface?

I don't think I could blow on coffee for 3 minutes.
Most people will blow on hot coffee a bit and then sip.
 
60 degrees from the normal?
 
If you didn't stir it, blowing at an angle induces convection which hastens cooling.
Beyond some angle, the air comes in glancing, which reduces its effect.
 
clem said:
If you didn't stir it, blowing at an angle induces convection which hastens cooling.
Beyond some angle, the air comes in glancing, which reduces its effect.

so probably 30 degrees from normal haha.
 
Interesting idea, but graphs of measured data like this are actually nearly useless unless you put error bars on the points, and that is often the hardest part of experimental physics. :smile: The reader has no idea if the results are significant, or if the uncertainty in the measured points is as large as the whole vertical scale, even if you do include 8 significant figures in the rate table. To include error bars, you'll need to consider how accurately the angles were measured, and more importantly how accurately the temperatures and rates of change of temperatures were measured. There are also possible systematic errors, due for example to the height of the level of the coffee relative to the rim of the cup, the distance to the electric fan, etc.
 
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JeffKoch said:
Interesting idea, but graphs of measured data like this are actually nearly useless unless you put error bars on the points, and that is often the hardest part of experimental physics. :smile: The reader has no idea if the results are significant, or if the uncertainty in the measured points is as large as the whole vertical scale, even if you do include 8 significant figures in the rate table. To include error bars, you'll need to consider how accurately the angles were measured, and more importantly how accurately the temperatures and rates of change of temperatures were measured. There are also possible systematic errors, due for example to the height of the level of the coffee relative to the rim of the cup, the distance to the electric fan, etc.

Chill.
 
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dacruick said:
Chill.

Dude.
 
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JeffKoch said:
Dude.

duuuude
 
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Lol!
 

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