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What are the most recent or most accurate attempts at measuring photon mass? Additionally, what are the upper limits, uncertainty or error associated with those measurements?
The discussion focuses on recent attempts to measure the mass of photons, exploring both the upper limits of such measurements and the associated uncertainties. Participants examine theoretical implications, experimental approaches, and the relationship between photon mass and electromagnetic interactions.
Participants express a range of views on the implications of photon mass, with some agreeing on the theoretical aspects while others contest the interpretations and measurements. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nature of photon mass and its effects on electromagnetic theory.
Participants note limitations in accessing experimental papers and express concerns about the assumptions underlying measurements of photon mass, particularly regarding the dependence on the speed of light.
jtbell said:
mfb said:They use "speed of light" as the speed limit of special relativity, I think. A non-zero photon mass would make light slower than this "speed of light" (that name would be bad in that case, of course).
For recent particle physics publications, try searching for the paper title at arXiv. Usually, you can find (nearly) the same text there for free.
The uncertainty is always included in the upper limit.
mfb said:Photons are the elementary particles of the electromagnetic force - you can describe a static electric field as the exchange of photons between charged objects.
If those photons have mass, the field gets weaker for large distances (compared to Coulomb's law), you get a Yukawa potential.
You can see a similar effect for the weak force, which has massive particles (W,Z) and a very limited range as result. The residual strong force in a nucleus has the same effect: It can be described as exchange of massive pions, and its range is very short.
You can detect the electromagnetic field if you put a sensor in between. This is like "catching virtual photons" (but you don't influence the exchange of virtual photons between the magnets, you just add an interaction).If they are actual we could, for example, get two permanent magnets close to each other, put some sensor in between and catch some of those photons, but that's not the case, or is it?