Beta+ Decay or Electron Capture?

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The discussion revolves around distinguishing between beta-plus decay and electron capture, focusing on their respective mass conditions and likelihood of occurrence under certain circumstances.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the mass conditions for both beta-plus decay and electron capture, questioning how these conditions influence which process is more likely to occur. There is an attempt to clarify the implications of the inequalities related to energy and mass in determining the likelihood of each decay process.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the concepts, checking the inequalities and discussing the implications of their relationships. Some guidance has been offered regarding the likelihood of beta-plus decay compared to electron capture, particularly in cases where the mass conditions are closely satisfied.

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There is an acknowledgment of potential confusion regarding the relationship between the two decay processes and their mass conditions, as well as the need for clarity on when each process is favored based on the inequalities presented.

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We have β+ decay ##X_{Z}^{A} \rightarrow Y_{Z-1}^{A}+ e^{+}+\upsilon _{e}## which leads to the mass condition ##M(A,Z)>m(A,Z-1)+2m_{e}##.

We have electron capture ##X_{Z}^{A} + e^{-}\rightarrow Y_{Z-1}^{A}+ \upsilon _{e}## which leads to the mass condition ##M(A,Z)>m(A,Z-1)+\frac{\varepsilon }{c^{2}}##.

Those are the mass conditions. From my notes it says ##\frac{\varepsilon }{c^{2}}\ll m(A,Z-1)## therefore electron capture can happen whenever β+ decay does, but β+ decay is more likely. I am unsure about this statement or how it helps distinguish which one would happen for certain conditions.

Any ideas would really be appreciated.
 
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You can check the inequalities to see what is possible.
rwooduk said:
I am unsure about this statement or how it helps distinguish which one would happen for certain conditions.
If beta+ decay is possible (and if the inequality is not too close to an equality), it is more likely.
 
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mfb said:
You can check the inequalities to see what is possible.
If beta+ decay is possible (and if the inequality is not too close to an equality), it is more likely.

the inequalities are ##\frac{\varepsilon }{c^{2}}## and ##2m_{e}## , sorry it should have been if ##\frac{\varepsilon }{c^{2}}\ll 2m_{e}## in the original post. So if ##\frac{\varepsilon }{c^{2}}\ll 2m_{e}## then it's beta decay, if ##\frac{\varepsilon }{c^{2}}\gg 2m_{e}## it's electron capture and if they are equal it is equally likely? Is that what you mean?

Many thanks for the reply
 
rwooduk said:
the inequalities are ##\frac{\varepsilon }{c^{2}}## and ##2m_{e}## , sorry it should have been if ##\frac{\varepsilon }{c^{2}}\ll 2m_{e}## in the original post. So if ##\frac{\varepsilon }{c^{2}}\ll 2m_{e}## then it's beta decay, if ##\frac{\varepsilon }{c^{2}}\gg 2m_{e}## it's electron capture and if they are equal it is equally likely? Is that what you mean?
That does not make sense.

If both inequalities are satisfied, both processes are possible. Then beta+ decay is more likely, with an exception:
If beta+ is "just" allowed (the left side of the beta+ inequality condition is just a tiny bit larger than the right), then beta+ decay is not very likely.
 
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mfb said:
That does not make sense.

If both inequalities are satisfied, both processes are possible. Then beta+ decay is more likely, with an exception:
If beta+ is "just" allowed (the left side of the beta+ inequality condition is just a tiny bit larger than the right), then beta+ decay is not very likely.

Ahh so by stating the mass condition for each I've answered the question, excellent, I think I got confused by trying to link the two mass conditions somehow as independent entities when they can both be satisfied at the same time. thanks again.
 

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