Beta Disintegration: Nucleus Absorbing Electrons & Positrons

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The discussion revolves around the processes of beta decay, specifically the potential for a nucleus to absorb positrons and undergo a corresponding decay process. Participants explore the mechanics of electron capture and positron interactions with nuclei, considering both theoretical and practical implications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that a nucleus can absorb an electron, leading to beta decay, and questions whether a similar process could occur with positrons.
  • Another participant clarifies that the described process involving an electron is known as electron capture, and expresses doubt about the feasibility of positron absorption due to the absence of orbiting positrons.
  • A later reply acknowledges that while positron capture is theoretically possible, it is unlikely to occur frequently due to the rarity of positrons and their repulsion by protons in the nucleus.
  • There is also a suggestion to consider the possibility of (e+,n) scattering as an alternative interaction involving positrons and neutrons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of positron capture, with some suggesting it is possible under certain conditions while others emphasize practical limitations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of positron interactions with nuclei.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the rarity of positrons and their repulsion by protons as significant factors affecting the likelihood of positron capture. The discussion also highlights the distinction between beta decay processes and electron capture.

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I was studying Beta decay in my nuclear courses few minutes ago, and something came to my attention.
A nucleus can absorb an electron and undergo a beta decay like this:
p + e- ----> n + neutrino
Is the following one possible?
n + e+ ----> p + anti-neutrino?
where a nucleus absorb an positron and undergo a beta decay?
 
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I'm not sure whether you're talking about beta decay here, since the beta (minus) decay I recall learning was n--->p+e-+ anti-neutrino. This is called beta-minus, since the beta particle emitted (here the electron) is negative. Of course, to this there is a corresponding beta plus decay: p--->n+ e+ +neutrino, however this requires energy, and so cannot occur in isolation, unlike the beta- decay.

What you seem to be describing, p+e- ---> n+neutrino is what I would call "electron capture," where the nucleus captures an orbiting electron. Thus, I don't think that your second scenario would be allowed, since there are no orbiting positrons.
 
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Sorry for that, it's a problem when you know something in a 2nd language, and try to explain it in a third one.
(From French to English, and neither are my maternal language)
What I want to know is :
since p + e- ----> n + neutrino is allowed
is n + e+ ----> p + anti-neutrino allowed?
I know that there is no positrons orbiting, but is that the only reason, or is there something else?
if there is no way for a nucleus to absorb a positron , how about (e+,n) scattering? will it be possible then?
 
There's really nothing that could forbid a positron capture. It won't happen very often, simply because positrons are rare to begin with and would be repelled by the protons in a nucleus, while lone neutrons decay. However, it should certainly be possible.
 

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