Beta Rays: Electromagnetic or Nuclear?

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The discussion centers on the nature of alpha and beta rays, specifically whether they are classified as electromagnetic radiation or particles. Participants explore the origins of these rays from atomic nuclei and the mechanisms involved in their emission during nuclear decay processes.

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  • Some participants assert that alpha and beta rays are particles, not electromagnetic waves, with alpha particles being helium nuclei and beta particles being high-energy electrons.
  • One participant notes that beta rays originate from a nucleus when a neutron decays into a proton.
  • Another participant questions the terminology used in textbooks, wondering if alpha particles are correctly described as rays.
  • It is mentioned that the term "rays" was historically used because early scientists observed tracks made by these particles without understanding their nature.
  • Participants discuss the mechanisms by which alpha particles are emitted from large nuclei, including the roles of electromagnetic repulsion and quantum tunneling.
  • One participant elaborates on the energy states of alpha particles, suggesting that they represent a low-energy configuration that facilitates their ejection from the nucleus.

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Participants do not reach consensus on whether alpha and beta rays should be classified as electromagnetic radiation or particles. Multiple competing views remain regarding their nature and origins.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the definitions of "rays" and "particles," as well as the conditions under which alpha and beta emissions occur. Some technical details regarding energy states and forces involved in nuclear decay are also presented but remain unresolved.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying nuclear physics, particle physics, or anyone curious about the fundamental nature of radiation and atomic decay processes.

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Are Alpha and Beta rays electromagnetic ? If yes, then how ?

I would like to know how negatively charged beta ray comes from the nucleus ?

Thanks !
 
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They are particles. Not rays. And hence not electromagnetic.

Alpha particles => Helium nuclei (+ve charge)
Beta particles => High energy electrons (-ve charge)
Gamma RAYS => Electromagnetic radiation of very high frequency.
 
Beta rays come from a nucleus when the decay involves a neutron becoming a proton.
 
Oh! My book describes alpha particles as rays. Is it like that ?
 
They were called rays when they were first discovered, because the scientists then didn't know what they were. They were just observed to make tracks on photographic plates and in cloud or bubble chambers.

The reason they make these tracks is of course that they (both α and β) are electrically charged. This is not the same as being electromagnetic waves like the γ is.
 
How do Alpha particles originate from the nucleus ? Please explain.
 
For big nuclei, the overall electromagnetic repulsion between the protons becomes sufficient (with a bit of help from quantum tunnelling/the uncertainty principle) to overcome the (strong) nuclear force that holds the nucleons together, and eject the alpha particle.

I haven't studied much of the details, but I think the reason alphas are emitted rather than individual protons is that alphas are quite a low-energy state because the two neutrons and two protons combine to fill the four lowest-energy nuclear states (one of each type of particle in each of the up and down spin states). Thus the mass of the alpha is less that the combined masses of its constituents, so less energy is needed to expel it.

The combined masses of the alpha and the nuclear decay product have to be less than the mass of the original nucleus. By expelling four nucleons, the magnitude of the (negative) nuclear force binding energy for the decay product reduces, but this is more than offset by the reduction in (positive) electromagnetic repulsion energy that results from it now having two less protons to hold together. In most cases, if it just spat out a single proton these sums would work out the other way round, so that doesn't happen.

The mass of the alpha is less than that of its constituents because in its case the negative binding energy of the nuclear force outweighs the electomagnetic repulsion energy of its two protons.
 

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