Between O- and F- which has higher electron affinity?

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The discussion revolves around the comparison of electron affinities between O- and F-, focusing on the theoretical aspects of electron gain enthalpy and stability of electronic configurations. Participants explore the implications of these factors on the electron affinity of the two species.

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  • Some participants argue that F- has a fully filled electronic configuration, suggesting it would require more positive electron gain enthalpy to gain an additional electron compared to O-.
  • Others propose that O- requires one more electron to achieve a stable configuration, implying that it would have a greater electron affinity than F-.
  • One participant questions whether the reasoning about stability before adding an electron is valid, suggesting that energy considerations may differ for O- and F-.
  • Another participant emphasizes that electron gain enthalpy refers to energy released when an electron is added, arguing that O- would release energy while F- would require energy to accept another electron.
  • There is a discussion about the second electron gain enthalpy being positive for both species, with some participants noting that the energy required for F- is higher than for O-.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between electron affinity and stability of electronic configurations, leading to an unresolved debate regarding which species has a higher electron affinity.

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Participants highlight the complexity of electron gain enthalpy and its dependence on the stability of the resulting species after the addition of an electron. There are unresolved assumptions about the implications of stability on electron affinity.

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O-- 2s2 2p5
F-- 2s2 2p6 (Fully filled hence more stable.)
Since F- is fully filled as compared to O- wouldn't it require more positive electron gain enthalpy to gain one more electron than O-?
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However, the correct answer is given (A)
Please tell me how.
Thank you for reading.
 

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prakhargupta3301 said:
Since F- is fully filled as compared to O- wouldn't it require more positive electron gain enthalpy to gain one more electron than O-?
Don't think in that way.

##O^{-}## requires one more electron to complete its stable configuration of [Ne]. On the other hand, ##F^{-}## already has the stable electronic configuration. So, it will not want to accept one more electron.

So, the electronic affinity of ##O^{-}## is greater than that of ##F^{-}##.

When thinking about electronics affinity, you will have to consider which species will become more stable after the addition of one more electron. The stability before the addition of electronic should not be considered.
 
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Wrichik Basu said:
Don't think in that way.

##O^{-}## requires one more electron to complete its stable configuration of [Ne]. On the other hand, ##F^{-}## already has the stable electronic configuration. So, it will not want to accept one more electron.

So, the electronic affinity of ##O^{-}## is greater than that of ##F^{-}##.
But isn't that the exact same reason why putting an electron in F- absorb higher amount of energy than O- will? Am I correct?
 
prakhargupta3301 said:
But isn't that the exact same reason why putting an electron in F- absorb higher amount of energy than O- will? Am I correct?
I've added a small explanation at the end:
Wrichik Basu said:
When thinking about electronics affinity, you will have to consider which species will become more stable after the addition of one more electron. The stability before the addition of electronic should not be considered.
Does that help?
 
Wrichik Basu said:
Don't think in that way.

When thinking about electronics affinity, you will have to consider which species will become more stable after the addition of one more electron. The stability before the addition of electronic should not be considered.
No one has ever told me that before. Can you also tell me why that is so?
 
prakhargupta3301 said:
No one has ever told me that before. Can you also tell me why that is so?
You're also forgetting that electronics gain enthalpy is the amount of energy released on addition of one electron to a species. Released, not absorbed. ##O^{-}## will release energy, whereas ##F^{-}## will require energy to take in one more electron.

If any species becomes unstable after taking in one more electron, it will try not to do that. ##F^{-}## already has stable configuration. Why would it disturb itself unnecessarily? ##O^{-}## requires one more electron to be stable, so it will readily do that.
 
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Wrichik Basu said:
You're also forgetting that electronics gain enthalpy is the amount of energy released on addition of one electron to a species. Released, not absorbed. ##O^{-}## will release energy, whereas ##F^{-}## will require energy to take in one more electron.

If any species becomes unstable after taking in one more electron, it will try not to do that. ##F^{-}## already has stable configuration. Why would it disturb itself unnecessarily? ##O^{-}## requires one more electron to be stable, so it will readily do that.
But isn't the second EGE always positive, so for O- and F- both will be positive. Hence energy is absorbed.
Also, since F- is more stable, it would require more energy to take one more electron. So..

Regarding this:
Wrichik Basu said:
If any species becomes unstable after taking in one more electron, it will try not to do that. ##F^{-}## already has stable configuration. Why would it disturb itself unnecessarily? ##O^{-}## requires one more electron to be stable, so it will readily do that.
Yes it will readily do that, but the energy (+ve hence absorbed) will be lesser. Isn't that the whole point?
Sorry if I'm bugging you, but I think there is something I still miss.
THank you for taking such great pains.
 
So higher positive EGE is actually lower negative EGE? Is that it?
THank you.
 
My mistake :headbang:

Yes, you're right. The second EGE of both Oxygen and Fluorine are positive. Both need more energy to take in one more electron. For oxygen, the size is small, and hence, another electron has to be pushed into the atom forcibly.

But fluorine has a higher second EGE than oxygen, making it more difficult (that is, more energy has to be supplied) to accommodate one more electron.
 

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