Bijection between Orbit and Stabilizer

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the orbit-stabilizer theorem, specifically exploring the bijection between the right cosets of the stabilizers and the orbit of an element under a group action. Participants are attempting to clarify the function that establishes this bijection and its implications.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a function f: gG/Gx --> gx to define the bijection, expressing confusion about its formulation and the proof's lack of explicit function definition.
  • Another participant references a theorem from an article, suggesting it may contain the function needed for clarification.
  • A participant discusses the notation used in the article, questioning whether the function f(gh) = gx or f(g) = gx is appropriate given the context of H being the stabilizer subgroup.
  • One participant explains that the function f(y) = gK_x is well-defined, emphasizing the need to prove that different representatives of the same orbit yield the same coset.
  • There is a clarification that the function is indeed from the orbit to the set of right cosets G/K_x, not the stabilizer itself.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about how the bijection demonstrates the relationship O*Gx:K=G, suggesting that equality does not necessarily imply equivalence.
  • Another participant notes that the theorem indicates the action on the orbit is equivalent to the canonical action on G/K_x, proposing a division of the problem into finding orbits and studying the action on G/K_x.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and confusion regarding the definitions and implications of the bijection. While some aspects of the theorem are understood, there remains uncertainty about specific notations and the broader implications of the bijection.

Contextual Notes

Participants express limitations in understanding the notation and the well-defined nature of the function, as well as the implications of the bijection in relation to group actions.

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So I know this is the orbit-stabilizer theorem. I saw it in Hungerford's Algebra (but without that name).

So we want to form a bijection between the right cosets of the stabilizers and the orbit. Could I define the bijection as this:

f: gG/Gx--->gx

Where H=G/Gx

f(hx)=gx h in H

^ Is that what the function is suppose to look like? I'm really stuck on understanding the proof since it doesn't show me this function but it guarantees that it is a bijection. I'm not sure if there is a better way to word this question except, perhaps, what is the function between the right cosets and the orbit.
 
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Have a look at theorem 3 on page 5 of this article. Is the function that the author defines in the proof what you're looking for?
 
Sort of, but I'm getting kind of thrown off by his notation.

So the function that is defined is sending f: g*H---->Orb(x) where H=G/Gx.

Is this just saying that f(gh)=gx or f(g)=gx because H is everything that doesn't move x so its not really worth mentioning.
 
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He's saying that if y\in\mathcal O_x, then there exists g\in G such that y=gx. Then he defines f(y)=gK_x, where K_x is the stabilizer subgroup for x. It's not obvious that this f is well-defined, because there could exist a g'\neq g such that y=gx=g'x. To prove that the above actually defines a function, we must prove that gx=g'x implies gK_x=g'K_x.

Here's the proof: Suppose that z\in gK_x. Then there's a k\in K_x such that z=gk=g'g'^{-1}gk. This is a member of g'K_x if g'^{-1}gk\in K_x, and it's not hard to see that it is:

g'^{-1}gkx=g'^{-1}gx=g'^{-1}g'x=x

This proves that gK_x\subset g'K_x, and we can of course repeat the argument with g and g' swapped.

So f is a well-defined function from the orbit \mathcal O_x into the set of right cosets G/K_x. The equation that defines f can also be written as f(gx)=gK_x.
 
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The very last function you defined is from the orbit to the stabilizer (I know its a bijection but I just want to make sure).
 
No, gK_x=\{gk|k\in K_x\} is a right coset, so

f:\mathcal O_x\rightarrow G/K_x​

if we use the notation G/K_x for the set of right cosets.
 
Great, it all makes sense. However, how does this bijection prove that O*Gx:K=G. To me it just proves they are equal, but that can't always be the case.
 
The theorem says that the action restricted to \matcal O_x is equivalent (in a technical sense) to the canonical action on G/K_x. This splits the problem of understanding a group action into two pieces: 1. Find the orbits. 2. Study the action on G/K_x, for each different K_x.
 

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