Bilinear Function and Gramian Matrix

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The discussion revolves around the properties of bilinear functions and their representation through Gram matrices, specifically focusing on the determination of left and right kernels of a bilinear function defined on \(\Re^3\). Participants explore the mathematical formulation and implications of the Gram matrix provided.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a method to find the left and right kernels of a bilinear function using the Gram matrix, questioning the correctness of their approach.
  • Another participant confirms the initial approach but suggests a simplification for finding the left kernel using the transpose of the Gram matrix.
  • A later reply elaborates on the reasoning behind the simplification, noting that it relates to eigenvectors associated with the eigenvalue 0.
  • Further exchanges involve attempts to condense the explanation of the left kernel, with participants discussing contradictions arising from assumptions about non-zero vectors.
  • Participants express appreciation for the simplifications and clarity provided in the discussion.

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While there is general agreement on the approach to finding the kernels, the discussion includes varying levels of understanding and simplification of the reasoning involved. No consensus is reached on a single definitive method, as participants explore different formulations and explanations.

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The discussion reflects varying levels of familiarity with bilinear functions and Gram matrices, leading to different interpretations and methods for solving the problem. Some assumptions about vector properties and kernel definitions remain implicit and are not fully resolved.

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Hi everyone, :)

Here's a question which I am not sure whether my approach is correct. My understanding about Bilinear functions and Gramian matrix is limited, so this might be totally wrong. Hope you can provide some insight. :)

Question:

A bilinear function \(f:\Re^3\times \Re^3 \rightarrow \Re \) is given in standard basis \(\{e_1,\,e_2,\,e_3\}\) by the Gram matrix,

\[G_f=\begin{pmatrix}4&3&2\\1&3&5\\3&6&9 \end{pmatrix}\]

Find the left and a right kernel of \(f\).

My Solution:

I would find the left kernel of \(f\) using,

\[\left\{v\in\Re^3:\, \begin{pmatrix}v_1& v_2& v_3\end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} 4&3&2\\1&3&5\\3&6&9 \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} u_1\\u_2\\u_3 \end{pmatrix}=0\mbox{ for all } \begin{pmatrix} u_1 \\u_2 \\u_3 \end{pmatrix} \in \Re^3 \right\}\]

and the right kernel of \(f\) using,

\[\left\{u\in\Re^3:\, \begin{pmatrix}v_1& v_2& v_3\end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} 4&3&2\\1&3&5\\3&6&9 \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} u_1\\u_2\\u_3 \end{pmatrix}=0\mbox{ for all } \begin{pmatrix} v_1 &v_2 &v_3 \end{pmatrix} \in \Re^3 \right\}\]

Is this approach correct? Is this how the left and right kernels are given when the bilinear function is represented by the so called Gramian matrix? :)
 
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Sudharaka said:
Hi everyone, :)

Here's a question which I am not sure whether my approach is correct. My understanding about Bilinear functions and Gramian matrix is limited, so this might be totally wrong. Hope you can provide some insight. :)

Question:

A bilinear function \(f:\Re^3\times \Re^3 \rightarrow \Re \) is given in standard basis \(\{e_1,\,e_2,\,e_3\}\) by the Gram matrix,

\[G_f=\begin{pmatrix}4&3&2\\1&3&5\\3&6&9 \end{pmatrix}\]

Find the left and a right kernel of \(f\).

My Solution:

I would find the left kernel of \(f\) using,

\[\left\{v\in\Re^3:\, \begin{pmatrix}v_1& v_2& v_3\end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} 4&3&2\\1&3&5\\3&6&9 \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} u_1\\u_2\\u_3 \end{pmatrix}=0\mbox{ for all } \begin{pmatrix} u_1 \\u_2 \\u_3 \end{pmatrix} \in \Re^3 \right\}\]

and the right kernel of \(f\) using,

\[\left\{u\in\Re^3:\, \begin{pmatrix}v_1& v_2& v_3\end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} 4&3&2\\1&3&5\\3&6&9 \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} u_1\\u_2\\u_3 \end{pmatrix}=0\mbox{ for all } \begin{pmatrix} v_1 &v_2 &v_3 \end{pmatrix} \in \Re^3 \right\}\]

Is this approach correct? Is this how the left and right kernels are given when the bilinear function is represented by the so called Gramian matrix? :)

Sure.
Looks good.

You can simplify it a bit though.
You can find the left kernel of \(f\) using:
\[\left\{v\in \mathbb R^3:\, v^T \begin{pmatrix} 4&3&2\\1&3&5\\3&6&9 \end{pmatrix}=0 \right\}\]
That amounts to the same thing.
Do you see why?

Note that these are the eigenvectors of the transpose for the eigenvalue 0.
 
I like Serena said:
Sure.
Looks good.

You can simplify it a bit though.
You can find the left kernel of \(f\) using:
\[\left\{v\in \mathbb R^3:\, v^T \begin{pmatrix} 4&3&2\\1&3&5\\3&6&9 \end{pmatrix}=0 \right\}\]
That amounts to the same thing.
Do you see why?

Note that these are the eigenvectors of the transpose for the eigenvalue 0.

Thanks very much for the confirmation. Of course I see it. Since,

\[\begin{pmatrix}v_1& v_2& v_3\end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} 4&3&2\\1&3&5\\3&6&9 \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} u_1\\u_2\\u_3 \end{pmatrix}=0\]

holds for each vector \(\begin{pmatrix} u_1\\u_2\\u_3 \end{pmatrix}\) we can choose any two vectors \(\begin{pmatrix} u^1_1\\u^1_2\\u^1_3 \end{pmatrix}\) and \(\begin{pmatrix} u^2_1\\u^2_2\\u^2_3 \end{pmatrix}\) such that,

\[\begin{pmatrix} u^1_1\\u^1_2\\u^1_3 \end{pmatrix}\neq\begin{pmatrix} u^2_1\\u^2_2\\u^2_3 \end{pmatrix}\]

Then,

\[ \begin{pmatrix}v_1& v_2& v_3\end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} 4&3&2\\1&3&5\\3&6&9 \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} u^1_1\\u^1_2\\u^1_3 \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix}v_1& v_2& v_3\end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} 4&3&2\\1&3&5\\3&6&9 \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} u^2_1\\u^2_2\\u^2_3\end{pmatrix}=0\]

Hence,

\[\begin{pmatrix}v_1& v_2& v_3\end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} 4&3&2\\1&3&5\\3&6&9 \end{pmatrix}\left( \begin{pmatrix} u^1_1\\u^1_2\\u^1_3 \end{pmatrix} -\begin{pmatrix}u^2_1\\u^2_2\\u^2_3\end{pmatrix} \right)=0\]

Since,

\[ \begin{pmatrix} u^1_1\\u^1_2\\u^1_3 \end{pmatrix} -\begin{pmatrix}u^2_1\\u^2_2\\u^2_3\end{pmatrix} \neq 0\]

\[\begin{pmatrix}v_1& v_2& v_3\end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} 4&3&2\\1&3&5\\3&6&9 \end{pmatrix}=0\]

Is there a shorter version for this? :)
 
Looks good! :)

Is there a shorter version for this?

Hmm, a shorter version?

How about:

Let A be the matrix.

Suppose we have a $v$ in the left kernel such that $v^T A \ne 0$.
Then there is a vector $u$ such that $v^T A u \ne 0$
This is a contradiction.

If on the other hand we pick any $v$ such that $v^T A = 0$, then for any $u$ we have $v^T A u = 0$.

Therefore the left kernel is the set of all $v$ with $v^T A = 0$. $\qquad \blacksquare$
 
I like Serena said:
Looks good! :)
Hmm, a shorter version?

How about:

Let A be the matrix.

Suppose we have a $v$ in the left kernel such that $v^T A \ne 0$.
Then there is a vector $u$ such that $v^T A u \ne 0$
This is a contradiction.

If on the other hand we pick any $v$ such that $v^T A = 0$, then for any $u$ we have $v^T A u = 0$.

Therefore the left kernel is the set of all $v$ with $v^T A = 0$. $\qquad \blacksquare$

Thanks very much Serena. :) Indeed this is something much more simpler.
 

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