Binding energy vs Kinetic energy

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of binding energy and kinetic energy in different states of matter: solids, liquids, and gases. The original poster seeks clarification on the definitions and relationships between these energies as presented in lecture notes.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore definitions of binding energy and single bond energy, questioning how these relate to total binding energy. They discuss the implications of kinetic energy in different states of matter and seek to understand the relationships presented in the original post.

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Some participants provide definitions and examples related to binding energy and single bond energy, while others question the distinctions between different types of binding energies. The conversation is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored without a clear consensus.

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The original poster expresses uncertainty and seeks help, indicating a lack of prior understanding of the concepts discussed. There are references to specific interactions such as van der Waals forces and hydrogen bonding, which may require further exploration.

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My lecturer writes the following in his lecture notes:

" There is a binding energy between the particles.
Different states can then be characterised by the kinetic energy of the particles.
For solids, k.e. << binding energy (looks like SHM)
For liquids, single bond energy < k.e. << total binding energy
For gases, k.e. >> binding energy."

My questions are

1) What is a binding energy?
2) What is a single bond energy?
3) What energies make up the 'total binding energy' in Line 4 ?

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No idea!

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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hasan_researc said:
1) What is a binding energy?
Technically, it is the energy that a system acquired as it came together. It is better understood as the amount of energy you would have to supply to separate the constituents of the system. The system could be -
a molecule (the atoms making up the molecule would be the constituents)
an atom (the electrons and the nucleus make up the system)
a solid crystal lattice
even our solar system.


2) What is a single bond energy?
If you consider an isolated NaCl molecule, the amount of energy you'll have to supply to separate Na and Cl would be the bond energy of the ionic bond.
In case of CH_4, you'll have to supply four times the C-H bond energy to separate C and H.

3) What energies make up the 'total binding energy' in Line 4 ?
As you put together different molecules that make up a system, there could be inter-molecule interactions. These interactions are additional to the interaction (bonding) within the molecule.
Have you heard of van-der Walls interactions, hydrogen bonding, dipole-dipole interactions,...? All these are interactions taking place between two different molecules. As an example, the hydrogen atoms in water are weakly bonded to the oxygen atom of neighbouring molecules (this is hydrogen bonding).
 
hasan_researc said:
For solids, k.e. << binding energy (looks like SHM)
For liquids, single bond energy < k.e. << total binding energy
For gases, k.e. >> binding energy."
Now see if you can understand these relations for solids, liquids and gases.
:cool:
 
"For solids, k.e. << binding energy (looks like SHM)":
Is the binding energy a single bond energy (the smallest od all binding energies)?

"For gases, k.e. >> binding energy":
Is the binding energy the total binding energy (the largest of all binding energies)?
 
In solids the atoms just vibrate about their positions. All the atoms are placed very closely, and are hence highly bonded. The high binding energy would keep an atom in its place.
No, binding energy cannot be a single bond energy, it cannot be. At atom is kept in its place by several of its neighbours.

Atoms/molecules in gases are in contrast, far apart, and loosely bonded. In fact, the ideal gas theory assumes there to be no interaction among the gas atoms/molecules. They are free to roam around within the container. Are you aware of the expression for average (kinetic) energy of gas atoms? That is much higher than the vibrational energy of atoms in a solid (at the same temp.)
 

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