Biogas or solar heat storage cooker for rural villages?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the best cooking solutions for rural villages in Africa and Asia that currently rely on traditional biomass fuels. Participants explore options such as solar heat storage cookers, biogas generators, and more efficient stoves, while considering the implications for sanitation and resource availability.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose using concentrated solar energy with molten salt for cooking, suggesting it could provide flexibility in cooking times.
  • Others argue for the benefits of biogas generators, which could utilize waste materials and potentially address sanitation issues.
  • A third option mentioned is the development of more efficient stoves to reduce fuel consumption and emissions.
  • One participant emphasizes the need for a deep understanding of local customs, resources, and economic factors to design effective solutions.
  • Another participant raises concerns about the feasibility of using human waste in biogas production due to nitrogen content issues.
  • There is a suggestion to investigate existing attempts at similar solutions to avoid redundancy and learn from past experiences.
  • Considerations about local cooking practices, cloud cover, and maintenance challenges are also discussed, highlighting the complexity of implementing new technologies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the best approach, with no consensus reached on which solution is superior. Multiple competing ideas remain under consideration.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations such as the need for local knowledge, the impact of resource availability, and the potential for maintenance issues with new technologies.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those involved in sustainable development, renewable energy solutions, and rural community planning.

RaGun
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Hello everyone,

For villages in Africa and Asia that still use wood, dung or other biomass in simple stoves which option do you think will be better?

Concentrate solar energy into an insulated unit with a molten salt which can then be used at any time or build a simple biogas generator (large scale or maybe even household) using rubbish, biomass, dung and maybe even human waste. With the second option you could also maybe help with the sanitation problem.

There is also a third option of using much more efficient stoves so the current fuel they use will last longer and produce less smoke and particulates.

Are there any other alternatives or ideas? Been thinking about this over the last few days and wanted some expert opinions. What would you do?

Thanks for reading.
 
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It is not possible to design a good solution without extensive knowledge of the people, their customs and beliefs, their available resources (sun, digestible biomass, burnable biomass), economic payback, and available financing. You also need to match resources and needs. For example, how does the amount of methane from a human waste digester compare to the family's cooking needs?

An example of a successful product is solar lights in poor areas without electric grid. Compared to kerosene lamps, solar is better light, much cheaper to own, and cleaner: https://cleantechnica.com/2015/05/12/solar-lights-eradicating-kerosene-lamps-africa/

Check out Engineers Without Borders: https://www.ewb-usa.org/.
 
RaGun said:
Are there any other alternatives or ideas?

I think there are very many attempts to do exactly what you propose. Your first step should be to research those earlier attempts. I suspect that just about every imaginable scheme has been considered.
 
Check how much cloud cover they have, also what times of day they do traditional cooking, and how.
{ For silly example, compare temperature & time requirements for 'stir fry' & 'stew'... }
Will they be able to prepare enough traditional meals in a sufficiently traditional way at traditional times ?

Also, consider maintenance. IIRC, a lot of charities' drilled wells became unusable when their tool-kits and spares were sold, traded or stolen...
 
RaGun said:
There is also a third option of using much more efficient stoves so the current fuel they use will last longer and produce less smoke and particulates
Still wondering what problem is being solved here.

Is it the scarcity of dung and combustibles?
Is it the time collecting dung and other combustibles?
Which might imply a of foraging far from the village and entering into subsequent dangerous situations.
Perhaps, since smoke and particulate matter is mentioned, the health and well being of the cook is being contemplated.
Some solutions are not time savers nor effort savers nor cheap nor failsafe ( in regards to always being able to cook the food that day if the tech breaks down ).

What do the villagers say?
 

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