BJT Inverter with Feedback: Vin-Vout Characteristic & Saturation Analysis

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The discussion revolves around the analysis of a BJT inverter circuit with feedback, focusing on the Vin-Vout transfer characteristic and saturation behavior. Participants are tasked with deriving expressions for various operational states of the circuit, including the constant-current region and saturation conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to find an exact expression for the Vin-Vout transfer characteristic when Q1 operates in the constant-current region.
  • There is a query about the simplification of the expression for large βF, with some suggesting that it may lead to ignoring certain terms in the denominator.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to derive the simplified expression for large βF and whether it would affect the terms involving RB and RE.
  • Another participant proposes that the gain could be expressed as the ratio of RC to RE under certain conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple viewpoints regarding the simplification of expressions and the implications of large βF. No consensus is reached on the exact form of the simplified expression or the conditions under which it applies.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the mathematical steps involved in deriving the transfer characteristic, particularly regarding the assumptions made about βF and its impact on the circuit analysis.

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Homework Statement


The circuit in the figure has the form of a BJT inverter, but also has a resistor connected between the emitter lead and ground. This addition provides feedback between the output loop of the circuit and its input loop.

(a) Find an exact expression for the Vin-Vout transfer characteristic over the region where Q1 operates in the constant-current region.

(b) To what does your expression reduce to for large βf?

(c) At what value of Vin does Q1 first turn on?

(d) When Q1 saturates, what will be the value of Vout?

(e) At what approximate value of Vin will Q1 first go into saturation?

(f) For VCC = 12V, RC = 4.7kΩ, RE, large βF, Vsat ≈ 0.2V, and Vf ≈ 0.7V, draw the approximate transfer characteristic of the circuit.

(g) The approximate expression obtained in part (b) will overestimate the actual gain of the circuit found in part (a). How large must βF be for the approximation to overestimate the gain by no more than 10%?

Homework Equations


KVL

In the constant-current region:
iC = βFiB
Vout has the form Vout = mVin + b​

The Attempt at a Solution


iE = iB + iC = iB + βFiB = iB(1 + βF)

KVL input loop:
[1] iB = \frac{V_{in} - V_{f}}{R_{B} + R_{E}(1 + β_{F})}​

KVL output loop:

[2] Vout = VCC - iCRC - iERE

[3] Vout = VCC - βFiBRC - iBRE(1 + βF)

[4] Vout = VCC - iBFRC + RE(1 + βF))​

Part (a)

If I combine equations [1] and [4]:

[5] Vout = VCC - \frac{V_{in} - V_{f}}{R_{B} + R_{E}(1 + β_{F})}(βFRC + RE(1 + βF))​

I want to know if I'm headed in the right direction and where to go from here. Any guidance is greatly appreciated!

Thanks!
 

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hogrampage said:

Homework Statement


The circuit in the figure has the form of a BJT inverter, but also has a resistor connected between the emitter lead and ground. This addition provides feedback between the output loop of the circuit and its input loop.

(a) Find an exact expression for the Vin-Vout transfer characteristic over the region where Q1 operates in the constant-current region.

(b) To what does your expression reduce to for large βf?

(c) At what value of Vin does Q1 first turn on?

(d) When Q1 saturates, what will be the value of Vout?

(e) At what approximate value of Vin will Q1 first go into saturation?

(f) For VCC = 12V, RC = 4.7kΩ, RE, large βF, Vsat ≈ 0.2V, and Vf ≈ 0.7V, draw the approximate transfer characteristic of the circuit.

(g) The approximate expression obtained in part (b) will overestimate the actual gain of the circuit found in part (a). How large must βF be for the approximation to overestimate the gain by no more than 10%?

Homework Equations


KVL

In the constant-current region:
iC = βFiB
Vout has the form Vout = mVin + b​

The Attempt at a Solution


iE = iB + iC = iB + βFiB = iB(1 + βF)

KVL input loop:
[1] iB = \frac{V_{in} - V_{f}}{R_{B} + R_{E}(1 + β_{F})}​

KVL output loop:

[2] Vout = VCC - iCRC - iERE

No. Vout is collector voltage with respect to ground. Vout is not Vc - Ve.​
 
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Oh, oops. Vout = VCC - iCRC, so:

Vout = VCC - \frac{V_{in} - V_{f}}{R_{B} + R_{E}(1 + β_{F})}RCβF

I still don't see what it would reduce to with a large beta :|.
 
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hogrampage said:
Oh, oops. Vout = VCC - iCRC, so:

Vout = VCC - \frac{V_{in} - V_{f}}{R_{B} + R_{E}(1 + β_{F})}RCβF

I still don't see what it would reduce to with a large beta :|.

Just put in a large beta. What does the equation simplify to?
 
Maybe I'm blind, as I don't see what it would simplify to. Would it cause RB + RE to be ignored in the denominator? Then, the two beta values would cancel from the top/bottom? So:

\frac{(V_{in} - V_{f})R_{C}}{R_{E}}
 
hogrampage said:
Maybe I'm blind, as I don't see what it would simplify to. Would it cause RB + RE to be ignored in the denominator? Then, the two beta values would cancel from the top/bottom? So:

\frac{(V_{in} - V_{f})R_{C}}{R_{E}}

Yes, Rc/Re would be the gain.
 

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