Black body radiation entropy question

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving black body radiation contained in an evacuated container. The problem includes determining the heat capacity at constant volume, deriving the entropy of the radiation, and analyzing the overall change in entropy when the system reaches thermal equilibrium with a heat bath.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of total entropy change, considering contributions from both the radiation and the heat bath. There are inquiries about simplifying the entropy change for the heat bath due to its constant temperature. Some participants also express confusion regarding the expression for the total change in entropy and seek clarification on specific terms.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made progress on earlier parts of the problem and are now focusing on the entropy change associated with the heat bath and the overall system. Guidance has been offered regarding the definitions and formulas relevant to the entropy calculations, but there is still a lack of consensus on how to approach the final parts of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the heat capacity of the cavity material is negligible, which may influence the calculations. There is also mention of specific formatting for LaTeX expressions, indicating a need for clarity in mathematical representation.

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Homework Statement


An evacuated container with volume V and at a temperature T contains black body radiation with an energy density equal to 4\sigmaT4/c
I Determine the heat capacity at constant volume of the radiation
II Hence show that the entropy of the radiation is given by

S(T,V)=16\sigmaVT3/3c (can't seem to get the sigma to display correctly here)

III The container is placed in thermal contact with a heat bath at temperature Tr. If the heat capacity of the cavity material itself is negligible, show that the overall change in entropy of the universe after the system and heat bath have reached thermal equilibrium is

\DeltaStot=(4\sigmaVTr3/3c)(1-t3(4-3t))

t= T/Tr

IV comment on the sign of \DeltaStot as a function of t


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The Attempt at a Solution


Have done I and II correctly. IV looks fine.
Just need a little nudge as to how I should start III, I just can't think of the appropriate formulae at the moment. So any links to references etc are greatly appreciated.
 
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Well, think about it this way: the total change in entropy of the universe comes from only two systems, the radiation and the heat bath. So you can calculate ΔStot as
\Delta S_{\text{tot}} = \Delta S_{\text{rad}} + \Delta S_{\text{bath}}

To calculate the entropy change of the heat bath, recall the (well, a) definition of entropy:
\Delta S = \int_{T_i}^{T_f} \frac{\mathrm{d}Q}{T}
Remember that the heat bath is at a constant temperature - how does that fact allow you to simplify the equation?

Calculating the entropy change of the radiation can be done in the patently obvious manner :wink: Recall the definition of the Δ symbol. Other than that, you already have the only formula you need.
 
madorangepand said:
An evacuated container with volume V and at a temperature T contains black body radiation with an energy density equal to 4\sigma T^4/c
I Determine the heat capacity at constant volume of the radiation
II Hence show that the entropy of the radiation is given by

S(T,V)=\frac{16\sigma VT^3}{3c}
(can't seem to get the sigma to display correctly here)
the latex "tex" tokens are intended be used on a separate line. For inline latex use "itex".

III The container is placed in thermal contact with a heat bath at temperature Tr. If the heat capacity of the cavity material itself is negligible, show that the overall change in entropy of the universe after the system and heat bath have reached thermal equilibrium is

\Delta S_{tot}=\left{(}\frac{4\sigma VT_r^3(1-t^3(4-3t))}{3c}\right{)}

t= T/T_r

IV comment on the sign of \Delta S_{tot} as a function of t


The Attempt at a Solution


Have done I and II correctly. IV looks fine.
Just need a little nudge as to how I should start III, I just can't think of the appropriate formulae at the moment. So any links to references etc are greatly appreciated.
Keep in mind that entropy change is defined as the integral \int dQ/T over the reversible path between two states. The reversible path would be one in which the cavity is cooled by means of a carnot heat engine operating between the cavity and the heat bath. In that case, the carnot engine absorbs heat at the cavity temperature (which decreases with heat flow) and the heat bath absorbs heat from the carnot engine at constant temperature.

AM
 
Thanks guys, I knew it was just staring me in the face.
 
i also have III as a homework question.
but it looks confusing cos it goes 1-t^3(4-3t)
please help
 

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