Block Sliding Down Inclined Plane with Pulley and Friction

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The problem involves a block sliding down an inclined plane with a pulley system, incorporating concepts of friction and rotational dynamics. The block has a specified mass, angle of inclination, and coefficient of kinetic friction, while the pulley has its own mass and moment of inertia.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the acceleration of the block and the angular acceleration of the pulley, questioning the correct application of torque and moment of inertia in their calculations.

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Some participants have offered clarifications regarding the relationship between the radius used in the torque equation and the radius of the pulley, while others are exploring the implications of the pulley’s mass on the overall dynamics of the system. There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions made in the calculations.

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Participants are grappling with the interpretation of the problem's parameters, particularly the relevance of the pulley’s mass and moment of inertia in the context of the block's acceleration. There is uncertainty about the definitions and relationships between the variables involved.

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Homework Statement



A block with mass m = 5.00kg slides down a surface inclined 36.9 ∘ to the horizontal (the figure (Figure 1) ). The coefficient of kinetic friction is 0.27. A string attached to the block is wrapped around a flywheel on a fixed axis at O. The flywheel has mass 23.0kg and moment of inertia 0.500 kg⋅m2 with respect to the axis of rotation. The string pulls without slipping at a perpendicular distance of 0.200m from that axis.

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What is the acceleration of the block down the plane?

Homework Equations



Moment of Inertia

\tau = rF = I\alpha

The Attempt at a Solution


R = radius of wheel = I = \frac{MR^2}{2} => \sqrt(\frac{1}{M})=R

r = radius to point P (where the force acts as a torque)

F_{net x } = mgsin\theta-\mu_kmgcos\theta-T=ma

\tau = rT = I\alpha = \frac{Ia}{R}

T = \frac{Ia}{rR}

mg(sin\theta - \mu_kcos\theta)=ma+\frac{Ia}{rR}

mg(sin\theta - \mu_kcos\theta)\frac{1}{m+\frac{I}{rR}}=a

Somehow this is giving me the wrong answer, what did I do wrong?

EDIT: it seems that when you set R=r it'll give you the right answer. This does not make sense, the radius of the Cylinder is not equivalent to the radius of the torque (which is defined as .2 in the problem). They differ, if only slightly, however mastering physics tells me I'm wrong.
 
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sreya said:
T = \frac{Ia}{rR}

The RHS should have 'r' instead of 'rR' .
 
I don't think it should, I divided through by r to arrive at T=\frac{Ia}{rR}
the division takes place in the line above the one you are citing
 
Okay...I was reading 'a' as 'α' .

You are right in figuring out that R=r in your work. Basically R i.e radius features only in the MI (MR2/2) .In the torque equation as well as the no slip condition ,we need to consider 'r'.

The relationship between 'a' and 'α' is a=αr and not a =αR .The tangential acceleration of the tip of the pulley where the rope leaves it is αr which is in turn equal to the acceleration of the block.
 
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Ohhh, yes you're absolutely right. What was the point in throwing in the weight of the pulley then, extraneous information?
 
sreya said:
What was the point in throwing in the weight of the pulley then, extraneous information?

To check your understanding whether you can pick up the relevant piece of information from the problem :smile:
 

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